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I'm not sure I'd say it ever had its way!

What exactly are you getting at here?

Personally I'd try it and see what happens - you can just remove the mod .pak if something goes wrong.

IIRC both platinum medals and getting points for using safety systems were introduced in TSW4, so basically yes.

What happened to the images?

If DTG gave brutally honest answers they'd be burnt at the stake! They would not look good at all.

I believe you are misunderstanding my point. I didn't say you said all routes are identical.

For starters, you assume that the cost of production of all routes is identical. DTG has never displayed the slightest compunction about rushing...

No, the Oldenburg bridge is fully wired.

I have never believed the idea that people who buy train sims are mainly interested in stuff they know, and I've never seen any evidence.

Then why does it apparently do so much better in TSC? More likely there are other causes...

All the AP version really adds is bells and whistles...

You have summarised my thoughts exactly - and the sad thing is that those Bakerloo issues are minor compared to a lot of other routes!

Well a key issue is the pile of issues both routes have, and even worse the fact that the steam simulation just isn't finished.

PFR's timetable is terrible. Timetable World have just released pdf downloads of a massive amount of London Midland Region working timetables. A...

If I was marking TSW I'd give it a 50%!

The "more casual" people are already going to be turned off by the ability to flick every switch!

Personally I think that's more of a convenient excuse - DTG has proven plenty happy to release not-perfect content.

Perhaps US freight would sell better if DTG actually fixed their routes. Look at the recent thread about Sherman Hill...

They'll be waiting a very long time...

Which isn't an improvement to TSW5?

See these posts from me and another user in March:

My point is that they'll recommend it with no regard to whether or not the person they're recommending it to is interested in modern American freight.

Unfortunately the somewhat poor quality of their 9F has put me off buying future VW products.

Their actions.

And your evidence for this is?

Well AP doesn't care about trademark law!

I think you misinterpreted what I meant by "clean up their test modes".

Shouldn't they clean up their test modes?

I wouldn't call either "fixed", though. We all know why they won't do that - because piles and piles of quite serious issues would be labelled as...

Go anywhere else there's discussion about TSW and you'll see the exact same complaints - often expressed in a much more vitriolic manner. Well, I...

Oh yes they are! If people know they can get withdrawn AP stuff legally there's no FOMO pressuring them to buy.

Which is all well and good, and more than most devs do. I just don't think it's an necessarily unreasonable request to ask that mod developers...

I think it's more complicated than that and there are resources that could be allocated to bug fixing/finishing unfinished features that are...

But we wouldn't actually get anything more in the way of patches. That is the fundamental problem, not anything to do with communication.

The point is that these packs rely on a pack that has been impossible to legally obtain for years.

Well that's my point entirely. DTG doesn't have a communication problem, they have a bunch of other problems that they get asked about.

The problem isn't communication. The reason they don't communicate is because they have no good news regarding bug fixes etc.

If you only look at the MML... Oh no they're not!

Pretty much every dev is far behind where they should be when it comes to bugs, unfinished features, and fixing them. I think JustTrains are the...

Well, this thread has fairly conclusively put to rest any wish I might have had to purchase anything from SSS again.

That's a feature of literally any 3D engine!

I'm less concerned about routes being short and more concerned about the routes we do get still being riddled with bugs and unfinished features.

That's not all the details - that's a random and confusingly written list of included stuff!

Can we have the option to fully rebind controller controls? I would like to use the Japanese style of train sim controller controls.

You do realise they're adding the GWR 387s with this remaster, right?

Oh yes they would!

Modders should know better than to make anything AP a requirement!

Finding information on Discord is far worse!

I will continue to judge with my eyes - but forgive me for not being optimistic...