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Whilst ultimately it is unlikely to stop me purchasing the add-on. It's a shame to see these great new features and to see the detail in the train...

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I am surprised no one has suggested submitting a support ticket..........

Yes that is disappointing and surely unnecessary. The has been plenty of annoyance shown about it in the past so I don't know why they persist...

Ah okay, I have vague memories of that route but never owned it, well MSTS seems like a vague memory now although I remember getting very excited...

It might not be empty if there are quite a few class 385 AI services. The only train we have on that list in TSW is the HST and that would...

I am surprised we haven't seen any of the valley lines in at least one of the train simulators, well I don't know of any anyway, apart from...

I don't possess diesel legends but have NTP. The class 101 is not available when I go into WCL.

It could look stunning in TSW. I suspect the Mallaig line may be the more likely if they made any of this route. Steam could also feature then.

Yes quite, I would be happy with a unbranded cross country liveried HST for AI trains on the Cross City, although I guess the livery could be...

Taking New Street as an example. Personally I would have been happy to have seen some more class 323's coming in and out or even maybe a class 166...

Maybe we will get the class 52 layered in with some mark 2 carriages without a brake coach representing services going off to Inverness and...

Don't forget the Horseradish sauce!

I think this is the right move. Often there are interesting discussions in the console sections which are not console specific which you miss out on.

Surely the class 165 would be the most important stock for this route as don't they form most of the "local" services? As far as I know the class...

Well that is an odd decision if that is the case. For a start this is West Cornwall not the area around Clapham Junction, it isn't that busy!...

Totally agree with that, I enjoy the railtour layers. However the class 40 on WCL wasn't a railtour, neither was the also unrealistic class 45...

I understand why the added them, even if I disagree with it. And I agree they shouldn't really have just removed them although they will argue you...

If they can add the class 40 to WCL then who knows what they might do to make the route more "realistic"!

I suspect not, although they haven't said for certain as far as I am aware. They wouldn't have been seen on this route, certainly during the time...

I don't disagree, they should have informed people of the change or maybe got feedback about it first. Although personally for me the layers are...

I agree, their revamped IOW line is very good. I think WCL looks very nice, even if it isn't totally accurate. They have been innovative so far in...

They might be able to do something. I guess it depends what feedback they get. I must admit I don't think I would want to be a train driver...

It was an automatic mechanical gearbox I am certain, not a manually operated one.

Well if you want realism yes. It might not look so bad when it is on the screen in front of you. You wouldn't have this issue with a class 27 or 47!

If they had removed it for realism I would love to know what their excuse for the class 40 appearing was! I wonder if they swapped it for the...

Okay it is probably correct then. I do remember in the late 80's there were failures due to gearbox issues, that is why a lot of first generation...

If I recall the class 141 had a mechanical gearbox as did the class 142's orignally but they were all "upgraded" to Voith hydraulic transmission...

It was it used the same engines and hydraulic transmission as the Sprinters.

It works both ways, a lot of people have moaned on the rare occasions we have had pre-privatisation routes that they were not "modern". Often when...

There are no diesel hydraulics on the Snow Hill lines,

I would love to see at some point a 60's WR route with the Warship featuring, I think they were stylish. This clearly won't be such a route though.

It was the class 127's and class 125's, also the Cravens class 112 or 113 were also hydraulic and the very first Derby Lightweights I believe. I...

I suspect there will be some freight layers, possibly including the RHTT.

I hope it isn't a heritage route, especially if it doesn't contain any steam traction.

I am surprised that there isn't a mention of freight as I am sure Grangemouth generates freight. I would prefer a more historic version too, but...

Interesting suggestion. Of the two I would prefer the Norwich to Brecklands suggestion.

I would suspect the diesel electric is the class 66 which would leave the other train as the diesel hydraulic, therefore a Sprinter, Turbostar or...

I assume it is behind the new German route and associated train.

I forgot about the Turbostars, I didn't realise the class 185 used hydraulic transmission. So I wonder if it is two new trains! Or it could...

It could be quite challenging and hopefully fun with all the gradients. Although I struggle to get more than 12 miles an hour out of a Jubilee...

Isn't the voith transmission on the sprinters/pacers hydraulic?

There is a patch which allows you to use the class 33 on WCL. I did use it and found the class 33 to be one of the best loco's to drive, felt very...

Yes that would be an accetable solution.

I think this needs to be repeated to DTG ad infinitum. Selectable layers would solve the conundrum. For example of WCL I wouldn't mind seeing the...

Yes I agree with that and have suggested it before, I was told some time ago that DTG had mentioned it but I can't find out anything about it. I...

I would brush up on your comprehension skills before being rude. If you read again what I said, I said it "wouldn't be impossible for a Jubilee to...

The roadmap usually comes out around 4pm UK time.

I would rather not see layers if they are unrealistic, otherwise you get situations like the WCL whose layers are unbelievable unrealistic and do...

Looks good from the screenshots and sounds like there some nice new feature which is something Rivit are good at. Seems like there are no...