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They should match. Would be better to have the lower level on the left and the higher level at the other end to be clearer and to show the progress.

I don't think these ever match. Never understood why.

Yes it is. 2,700 hp.

I like the thought of driving a 33 over the Pennines. Just for sheer curiosity. Looks fun. This is what everyone should be allowed to do. Console...

Only if it's in a multiple unit.

TSO stands for Tourist Second Open. First class with corridor is FK.

The three letter TOPS code for a vacuum braked wagon would end in V, such as HDV but the van on NTP doesn't have a proper TOPS code.

You can also tell by the pipes on the buffer beam. Vacuum pipes are ribbed (for your pleasure) and rather ironically, don't have cocks.

I understand the logic, but how difficult would it be to make it a refurb 31 in RF grey for TVL and then backdate for NTP? I think there are a few...

Refurbished 31s had the bodyside strip and the buffer beam valance removed and the headcode box plated over. If they weren't being converted to...

Like everything, it will matter to some and not to others. I don't think it will stop many from buying it. It doesn't bode well for NTP though if...

Looks like someone is filling the editor vacuum.

[ATTACH] 31139 was converted to a 31/4 (31438) in March 1984.

I would guess that you would need to ask BR, as 31s were used on the route. It's definitely an '83 vintage 31 in a supposedly '89 TVL which would...

They are damn annoying. Why they can't just be all switched from the cab like the 08, I've no idea.

Agreed. So an easy sub on NTP. However, I think it would be unusual for the empties to be hauled by anything different than the loaded tanks.

Looks like it's well on the power to get up Miles Platting. Some blur and quite a bit of clag so wouldn't have thought it was about to hit the...

Think this one was getting a run-up: https://flic.kr/p/29xkVLN

Would be nice to find out!

I'm sure he also said that DTG would end war, famine and pestilence on a stream somewhere. Can't find it now. Think he also said “Blessed are the...

It's a charming "quirk" of TSW, don't you think? Think Primark, rather than Gucci. ;)

As customers, I think we are all fully entitled to comment as we see fit and speak the truth as we see it. I'm not going to give false praise and...

In 89 there was Blue, Large Logo Blue, Railfreight, Red-Stripe Railfreight, Network South-East, Triple-Grey, Intercity, Scotrail etc.

Your first picture is Railfreight livery which was probably started in 85ish for 47s and the second is called Triple Grey Railfreight livery which...

Looking at my 1989 P5 all the blue TE 31s were departmental pool locos rather than freight sector though. Most of the unrefurbished 31s on the...

I noticed exactly the same about the unrefurbished state of them. I think your theory has merit.

Wait, what?!

47/4s on TVL would be no less appropriate for freight than they are on NTP. Would probably need the high intensity headlight and cab/shore radio...

Couldn't agree more. I think we should be able to run any locomotive on any route if we wish. Let the user decide. Braking compatibility accepted...

It's not the cost for me, it's the value. It would be a no-brainer if it was NTP compatible. It doesn't stack up well against the NTP freight pack...

Well yes, I know it wasn't designed then but it was operational in the 80s and was very much part of the 80s scene so to me it was "80s traction"...

The vast majority of 31s were still working throughout the 80s.

I think DD's point is those issues are of DTG's making as it's not been optimised, so on all fronts, DTG own the problem.

There must be something wrong if a BR 80s route and DLC is not even appealing to me, a devotee of 80s traction. I am the niche target audience but...

But that could happen with any train being driven by a player. Even using the "proper" traction as per your example. If it did get used on NTP, I...

The thing is, the console physics for the 47 isn't right anyway. It's probably similar to a 31 and as 31s did occasionally deputise for 45s/47s...

Yep. Apologies. Can see six GD 31/4s in my 1988 P5. And agree about 31/1 on passenger services. Some may still have had working boilers in 83.

All the 31s were dual braked in 1989. Most 31/4s were Bescot/Immingham/Crewe machines if I remember. Don't think GD had any. But remember it's a...

I know. That's why I said he'd alluded to exactly that. I need a coffee.

Not powerful enough as a single you must mean. As I've said, a pair of 31s is more powerful than a single 40/45/47. I guess it's more to do with...

Errrm. I did. That's the point I was making in response to the image posted by Manclion. Namely: [ATTACH]

I agree. If it could be used elsewhere, then that would make it much better value.

I guess it will be £11.99 for one locomotive and one wagon which doesn't compare well to the NTP freight pack (two locomotives and two wagons) but...

I've not got TVL either. Been waiting for it to be reduced. The freight services are too short for me and I feel that this add-on might not change...

Pairs of 31s common on oil: [IMG]31205 and 31126 take the Lindsey to Leeds oil tanks through Stainforth & Hatfield at 14:50. by Jeremy Gould,...

I've always thought blue/grey Mark Is from WSR would be ideal on NTP. They could also be used for things like football specials.

Not powerful enough for the freight role? Isn't that what they will be used for on TVL?!

Think the Mark IIs on NTP are dual braked, dual heat and your point about the 40 is exactly right. Wouldn't stop 31s being used with freight if...

Yay, a goyle. Just one livery though? Skinhead version?

Indeed. And yet the focus has been on mastery. This is not a department level choice. It's come from a level or levels above that. A decision has...