PC A New German Route? The Niddertalbahn

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  1. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Neither one existed in the 1990s, except as museum/railtour trains.
     
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  2. Omnicitywife

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    What's the difference?
     
  3. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    The other DRG 52 Steam locomotive post war version Deutsche Reichsbahn 52.80 ran as a Plandampf because East Germany still have steam locomotives facilities which can explain Dresden Altstadt & Chemnitz-Hilbersdorf having those facilities.
    From this 1991 video you are seeing a DR 52.80 running as a Plandampf or Museum train. Formation is comprised of 52.80 DR Y-Wagen UIC & Rekowagen

    That should be prepared for a future layer if warranted to use the turntable at Glauburg-Stockheim Niddertalbahn end point.
     
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  4. Lamplight

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    The exact differences depend on which model of Indusi we’re talking about. Generally speaking, other check speeds were used, locos were usually locked to one mode as opposed to having a choice between 3, the speed checks were actual checks after a given time instead of a calculated braking curve, …

    The Zusi manual accessible on Steam should cover all of the older Indusi systems.
     
  5. Omnicitywife

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    Very interesting indeed, sounds promising. Thanks.
     
  6. afkpilot#6470

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    Some more information on the 365 from discord:

    - The sounds are similar to the 363 as both have nearly identical engines (V12, same power rating and rpm)
    - 365 comes with updated brakes (revised brake valves, no lockout)
    - 365 also has the important modifications to differentiate from the 363 model (coke oven, compressor modifications, compressor radiator pipe, updated cab)

    Looks like an awesome little loco to me, great surprise addition to niddertalbahn.
     
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  7. solicitr

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    Um, no. The Maybach GTO 6 generated 480 kW at 1400 rpm. The Cat 3412E generates 540 kW at 1800 rpm.
     
  8. solicitr

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    In 1991 the system on a branch line would be Indusi 60 or I 60R. I 60R was identical to PZB 90 except without restrictive modes.* I 60 was slightly different in that rather than a continuously calculated braking curve, the system would spot-check speed according to a timer (from the driver's perspective there would be little if any difference).

    *Fun fact: the reason restrictive mode is indicated by alternate flashing of the 85 and 70 lights instead of having its own light is because when PZB 90 was adopted DB didn't want to install a new light in all its dashboards
     
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  9. afkpilot#6470

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    Here it says all of the engines were limited to 480kw and 1400 rpm: http://www.eib-t.de/daten/360/inhalt360p.htm

    The devs also didn’t seem to get their hands on recordings.
    I‘d say this is an issue we can overlook given this is TSGs first route and we got a last minute *new* freight loco added to it.
     
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  10. solicitr

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    Fair enough
     
  11. Lamplight

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    Probably I 60 if I had to guess since I doubt they were in a hurry to retrofit V60s with I 60R. Later on, they would have got I 60M.
     
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  12. Cash

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    Niddertalbahn releasing March 23rd, that's quite soon! I'm definitely looking forward to a change of pace for German routes :D
     
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    Me too, I hope we see more single track routes in the future.
     
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    I'm watching the stream right now and wow this looks so good. Good job TSG.
     
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  15. driverwoods#1787

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    Watching the stream now on Youtube and I asked them a Question which was to see if it can substitute on RSN Bremen Oldenburg Riesa-Dresden and Dresden Chemnitz like the 363 or not.
     
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  16. phil.elliott

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    Well... this ups the ante on the scenery side of things...
     
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  17. Lamplight

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    Seriously. Like never before.
     
  18. LunaVisits

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    Is this route worth it for full price?

    I was very excited to purchase it during the sale, but wasn't able to due to things coming up. Once I finally had proper time to sit down and buy it, there were steam authenticator issues and the sale ended whilst I was on the purchase screen.

    I'm very interested in the DB BR 628 as I have a soft spot for trains from that era (+ we need more German routes that don't have very similar cabs)

    Looking forward to input, as I know that the general rule of thumb is that we should only buy routes on sale, but it will be at least 5 weeks until the next one. (Halloween)
     
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  19. TimTri

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    It’s aged exceptionally well. Just a few days ago, I saw a post on the TSW Reddit full of comments praising the route.

    Even better if you have Linke Rheinstrecke (adds tons of services to that route, plus AI appears on Niddertalbahn), Maintalbahn (can do almost all the passenger services with the 628), Vorarlberg, Hamburg-Lübeck or Frankfurt-Fulda (adds AI to all three routes).
     
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  20. LunaVisits

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    I do have Linke & Fulda. I thought about picking up Maintalbahn but it didn’t seem too interesting. May pick it up next sale if the 628 is as good as it looks, especially with so many interchangeable services.

    It’s unfortunate that Frankfurt is AI only.
     
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    I don’t have Maintalbahn yet as well, but will probably get it on sale at some point because it’s the only route where the red BR 628 variant is drivable and not just AI afaik. Still, the rather repetitive landscape and surprisingly low scenery quality compared to other routes that came out around the same time are preventing me from considering it seriously right now.

    It’s true, the Frankfurt layer being AI-only is unfortunate. Especially because playable services were initially announced, but that turned out to be an error.
     
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  22. 25262

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    Don’t forget Rosenheim - Salzburg.
     
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  23. TimTri

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    Good point. Don’t have that route yet, but it’s definitely on my wishlist.

    Fun fact: I actually rode one of the real-life BR 628 Südostbayernbahn services from Mühldorf to Salzburg and back a few months ago (drivable in-game between Freilassing and Salzburg). :)
     
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  24. 25262

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    I had one from Simbach to Mühldorf after having a 218 from München. Unfortunatly it was a 35 degree day and a 628 is not brilliant in that weather!
     
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    So true! There was nobody in the tiny first class section near the front of the train, so we just opened all the windows there, which resulted in a nice breeze throughout the passenger cabin ;)
     
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    Lucky you! Luckily for me I almost had the whole coach to myself and it was about six in the evening by then and every window was open.
     
  27. LunaVisits

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    The repetitiveness is why it didn't make my wishlist in the end & I too was very excited about the BR 628 being driveable on Fulda. Actually, I was the person who pointed out the article error on the forums, hoping that the article was correct and the layer documentation wasn't. Unfortunately it was the other way around.


    Nice suggestion, thank you! Do you know if that route is less repetitive / build better then Maintalbahn? I remember looking into it several weeks ago, but mainly found complaints about the ÖBB 4024 / Talent 1 sounds being incorrect.
     
  28. captaingunadeep

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    Rosenheim - Salzburg is one of the best German routes ever made by DTG themselves. You should definitely try this.
     
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    I second this. It’s definitely a lovely route. The scenery is very charming and the routes really does transport the Charme of the alpine foothills across. )I have lived in that region for a few years and not it fairly well).
    What I like gameplaywise a lot is that it has a lot of speed and elevation changes and at the same time enough stops, while not too many too frequently. Only think I dislike is the rather empty Hbf in Salzburg, but hopefully with more Austrian content released this will become less of an issue.
     
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  30. krenz.christoph

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    Niddertalbahn is hands down the best german route (period). The 628, besides my childhood memorys with this train, is a lovely little train. You get some very nice scenarios and a challenging route, even more if you drive with safetysystems on because of the failing level crossings.
     

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