Alan Thompson Simulation Route Discussion/speculation Thread

I think the point being made is the EMT 158s were far more common where as the ScotRail ones were not? Not to say they didn't exist on services, but they were short lived. Unless I've misunderstood?

 

if they were the ones northern acquired then there only appearance would of been Victoria. the only regular 158 service into Piccadilly is EMR on the Norwich Liverpool runs

 

To be completely honest, I like the fact they're using the 350 to fill the route, but I thunk it wouldn't be too much to ask to get an actual TPE class 350, given that there's no other new rolling stock in the route.

 

Adding to the above, it would certainly make more sense to add the EMT 158s on the route rather than the ex-Scotrail units. The EMT 158s would serve as the hourly services to and from Liverpool.

 

agree. As someone who has lived on the route for the past 21 years, I’m gonna need to see that livery on the viaduct at Stockport or it won’t be right

 

I said this in a different thread a while back but perhaps the ScotRail 158s are more like the TfW ones than the EMT ones, like the light clusters perhaps? Still makes sense to have the EMT ones in for the EMT/EMR services though.

 

would be nice but the only issue may be the branding and licencing issues. im not too sure how it works in TSW but the 185 in TSC was released as unbranded with a patch realistic branding as are most of the AP loco upgrades. for me personally an unbranded version would be nice for more stock variation same with the 150 into northern unbranded.

live local (and still do 39 years later) its the one service that hasn't seen any rolling stock change from BR to EMR one thing is nearly always always certain is a 158 on the Norwich Liverpool other than fails. they are now however seeing more 170s in 2+2 or 3+3 services. that said when they don't drag the rear 170 half way across the hope valley with its breaks locked on.

 

Yes, we're well aware of how AP breaks the law.

 

in the politest possible I'm not too sure where you were trying to go with this post. legal or not i know nothing on the matter so its somthing i would rather not get into. there has been enough cans of worms opened on this thread, we don't need another one opened. id much rather spend time with positive comments on the route.

 

I think the post refers to the C&D they got from Virgin, hence the branding patch does not apply to the old red and black livery, and the VTEC livery was removed from the 91 and HST EPs

 

thanks for the heads up i did think that if anything illegal had gone on then there would of been a C&D.

 

Annoyingly I can't find any literature on it but it was around 2018 I think.
They still play fast and loose with defunct brands, even if there is an easy lineage to the copyright holder (e.g. Northern Spirit is branded but Arriva Trains Northern isn't, despite Arriva buying Northern Spirit during their franchise; or, One and Central Trains are branded, but National Express East Anglia and National Express East Coast aren't, despite all four brands being owned by National Express)

 

Chill out mate. A free branding patch is hardly crime of the century .

 

Wasn't expecting a Reply from AT tbh but never know till you ask.

 

again thanks for the heads up even just this has given me a little insight into what's gone on.

 

Well they kicked off about the branding patch. Nothing was VT branded by default.
Interestingly the branding patches also don't apply to TfL stuff so I wonder if they've had similar from them, albeit less public.

I do however think they have some form of agreement with GBRf.

Anyway, this is getting a bit off topic.

 

Yes, they did.

 

Loopholes by their very nature are not "illegal". If they were "illegal" pretty much every large company CEO would be jail for setting-up offshore income arrangements that reduce their tax burden in the UK. I suspect some TOCs have written cease and desist letters which, if obeyed, can avoid a lengthy litigation that would cost about £50k per month in legal costs, so aren't worth contesting.

 

Does this manchester commuter route have a release date yet.

 

Back in the November Roadmap, the Manchester Airport Commuter route was initially slated for release within the 0-3 month release window. However, since the January roadmap it has since been moved to the TBC section. Given the lack of updates on this route since the December season of reveals, it is obvious that the route has been delayed. So I wouldn’t get my hopes up about it releasing any time soon.

 

Hence why probs Alan hasn't replied to my post. In his recent post on this thread, tried to explained himself. Saying its going well. Load of BS I say, trying to cover up his Pss poor management

 

I think that the class 331 would fit best as a loco add on with this route

 

It was quite a let down if I’m being honest.

 

Personally I wouldn't get to worked up over this...

It'll release, if it is released and that is that I'm afraid. I don't blame DTG for this either, they can only go on what information is given to them by the developer on its contents progress and obviously ATS told DTG it was a lot further in production then it actually was, hence why it's moved back on forth on the road map. Frustrating, but I'm starting to take the 'it may, or may not be released in the next 6 months' attitude towards it.

The work practices behind the scenes has been discussed to death and as I've said before if people want to make a choice based on that, the information is there for all to see. But I don't think it's worth dragging the situation through the dirt again, or making it a public spectacle as it just causes unnecessary back and forth spitefulness. I'm glad it was brought to light in the first place, and I've made a personal opinion on the said matter, but as far as I'm concerned it's done and over with, and dragging it out just comes across as antagonising the situation and dragging it out unnecessarily. If DTG have any concerns around the work practices of ATS behind the scenes it will be an internal matter for them to remedy and should be left as that. I think we should leave it behind and move on from it now...

I hope the route is eventually released as it looks very promising. I just hope it doesn't become another Class 104 PFR situation.

 

Wise words SierraOscar95 . I mean the route was always pretty much a “no sale” for me anyway by not going to Crewe, but now time to put the ice cream and popcorn aside and wait to see what and when emerges.

 

I just want to add in this sneak peak that the lights on this viaduct in wilmslow don’t exist in real life

 

Surely it’s Stockport viaduct?

 

Sorry yes it is Stockport viaduct they do look quite similar

 

they do exist on Stockport viaduct but most of the bulbs have probably gone by now, that and its missing a few trees growing out of it

 

There are no loopholes. AP are violating the law.

 

I hope that's not going to be your full response to any First Letter of Claim you receive from AP under the UK's 2013 Defamation Act.

 

AP would have no case - their actions have already proven that they know they cannot defend their actions in court.

 

You aint buying much nowadays fella! :p

 

I like the concept but it’s delayed and it’s not going as far as I’d want it to. I’m still going to buy it because of its coverage but I’m quite disappointed

 

Not while it remains so badly broken as regards sounds and stuttering I won't.

 

What's the court judgement to which you refer? I've checked my online case law website and found nothing.

 

I assume it's to do with the Virgin fiasco

 

Ignore him.

He has a habit of making baseless claims and never providing evidence to back them up.

 

There is no court judgement because AP have clearly compiled with the C&Ds they have received.

 

Thanks Jack, I am already treating his comments as gossip, hearsay at best.

 

Perhaps there is confusion between AP and ATS.

 

I don't think there is.

 

Not read the whole thread but have seen what’s been said from both sides. For what it’s worth, I’m really looking forward to this route and hope ATS do a great job and it sells well. This will then prompt them to build upon it and do more for TSW.

 

I am really looking forward to this route but I just can’t forgive it ending at Alderley Edge instead of Crewe, Crewe is a major hub for lot of people including me as I travel to Crewe to change for Avanti to Glasgow. Seeing 390s passing by Non stop and then 390s to Scotland and Liverpool Like Street. 350s to Liverpool Lime Street and Euston as well as Terminating at Crewe. Not sure how long the services will be from Manchester Picadilly with the Weird Terminating point.

Would have been great to get a Modern Crewe station but no we get Alderley Edge, it is a very common theme now not just with AT but DTG ending routes at Silly end points. I don’t care what excuse there is but don’t get what AT thinks when they were discussing the route and thinking ‘Yea Alderley Edge let’s do that instead of Crewe everyone will love that!’
But hey we will see how it turns out if it is ever to be released

 

I think everyone was thinking about that famous music hall song "Hey Mr Porter" when these decisions were made.
The lyrics are something like,
"Hey Mr Porter, What shall I do? I want to go to Birmingham and they're taking me to Cre...........................Alderley Edge" ???

 

Now I know it isn’t much but there is the hourly service from Manchester Piccadilly to Alderley Edge.

 

Gonna have to give that a listen later now

 

Ooooo an Hourly service

 

View attachment 184823 Like Seriously 24 minutes extra for Crewe, and 17 miles. Annoying really annoying.
Positives are getting a very good busy Manchester Picadilly. But Sorry Alan, you could have given us the great Modern Crewe, a great station for train spotting. How did you come to the decision to do it to Alderley Edge.

 

It's the bloody consoles that are screwing it up for the rest of us, need to get routes to fit within their limitations and to hell with PC users who's rigs can handle a lot more. Ideally they would offer it as a full route for PC and 1/2 or 3/4 whatever for consoles but as we have seen with the complaining over WCMLoS from the console users about how they feel hard done to DTG would never go for it. Yes I know that the casual gamer is more likely to be on console and thus that's where money is, but as a PC user who often joked that with TSC it was "cheaper to have a hooker on retainer than buy all of the DLC" there's still money to be made on the PC.