Anyone Have Thoughts For What The New Uk Route Could Be That Could Be Coming Out Around Jan-feb 2024

Would have to be swt. Island line 2022 was a fictional livery. Also why it was emt, not emr. First group don't like sharing their license for some reason

 

The threads original purpose was to speculate on what's coming out next. Not to debate 320's and 156's coming to TSW.

 

You're so close to getting it.

 

Wtf is that supposed to mean?

 

That the 321 + 156 talk isn't a "debate" about them coming to TSW, but speculation started by an alleged leak (only shared privately among some members, but they have brought it up)

In a nutshell, the thread is doing this:

on the subject of:

 

TBH alot of the routes DTG have released if not ALL are copies from TSC

 

They were still rebuilt with a different engine.

 

Yes but you cant deny that a route / train that is in TSC has more chance of being made for TSW by DTG than any other route

 

That is common sense is it not seeing as TSC has been knocking around in some shape or form for about 15 years and in it's time cover a large range of routes including most, if not all of the most popular ones. However, and what I believe Jack is saying, is the fact that it is in TSC doesn't in any way aid the production of it in TSW and the only reason that a lot of routes in TSW are also in TSC is because the route itself is popular not because it were made in TSC.

 

That doesn't make it any easier to make it for TSW - which is the point.

 

Something along those lines.

 

I wonder whether it helps a bit in terms of research. Quite a bit of the time spent building a route must be gathering information on what the real thing looks like and how it operates. If the route already exists in TSC, that’s all been done.

 

If they already have recorded sounds or AP sounds from the train then it is a bit easier, but everything else isn't that much easier from what I can tell.

 

Yea. Ik. I've seen the leak. Id love to see those trains coming to TSW. But the original post was asking what the new route is gonna be. It does not have to have those trains in it tho that would make sense. But I am just sharing my opinion and thoughts.

 

If there is leaks about the 321 and 156 coming what routes are for them as there no route made for the 321 yet as 321 only be AI for Bakerloo Line and Cathcart Circle and Cross City

So a driveable route for the 321 would have to be the Great Eastern Mainline, West Coast Mainline, East Coast Mainline London end Doncaster to Leeds as 322 and the West Anglia Mainline for the Stansted Express,

For the 156 it can be use for Midland Mainline and Blackpool route or it can be a new route for it

 

321s haven't ventured on the WCML for well over a decade, so that's extremely doubtful.

 

Just for clarification purposes the Chiltern mainline route for TSC was done by Just Trains, not DTG, so if anyone has the needed route information like geography and sounds etc, for the route it would be Just Trains not DTG and yes TSC and TSW4 have entirely different engine from each other so a lot of work would still need to be done, also the entire Chiltern mainline is 100+ miles long so the whole route probably wouldn't get done for TSW4.

 

It would need to be a 320 to be AI on Cathcart.

 

Bakerloo line is set in 2021

 

I suspect the Class 156 and 321 could be misdirection for what will turn out to be a 15 mile bus stop run with a one handle EMU…

 

Stratford - Ipswich + Felixstowe branch would work for this. Need the 90 too for mainline services + freight from Stratford - Ipswich and 66 for Stratford to Felixstowe. That’d be something

 

If I had to put money on it a 156 would be a DLC in itself for MML and the 321 for a new route. That would be my eductaed guess anyway because as someone highlighted two train route DLCs are very, very rare and also as highlighted there isn't a route for a 320/321/322 yet.

 

321 could be a slightly retro WCML but still would need a second loco/trainset modelling for long distance services.

 

I'd be ecstatically happy with Marylebone to Banbury (or Oxford?)

 

I've long advocated for a 2004/05 era WCML, as you could have Pendolinos and Voyagers alongside 87s and 90s. I'm pretty sure 321s were around on the southern WCML around the same time?

 

Or both, and preferably pre-covid when the stopping services terminated at Banbury rather than Birmingham to give a true end to end timetable, complete with overnight maintenance/cleaning at the depot just outside the station at Banbury.

 

fingers crossed they do it from Marylebone to Oxford as it’s more modern

 

If there is a 320/321/322 coming then to me it would make most sense for it to be a ScotRail route with the 320. All of the 322s have been scrapped so that would be very difficult for DTG to make, and they may also not have a Greater Anglia license. If it was Northern a Doncaster-Leeds route would make much more sense with a 331 than a 321 as it would have more potential for future substitutions (such as a Manchester route or the Airedale line).

Something such as Glasgow QS - Helensburgh could make sense, and could include both the 320 and the 156 - it's around 40 miles, so an average TSW length, and it's been done before by Rivet Games in TSC (and they have an upcoming UK route on the roadmap), but two completely new units on one route seems unlikely to me.

 

It could run on cathcart circle.

 

Doesn't GLQ-Helensburgh use 334's?
That could be a combo for 320 and 156 actually. West Highland line south with branch to helensbrugh central.

 

Potentially wcml north with class 320 and class 390???
Class 320 running to Lanark and class 390 on majority of the services and maybe a new freight loco like a class 70??

Dunno. Just pure speculation at this point. I'm sure we'll find out more soon enough though.

 

Might be better going to helensbrugh central and Crianlarich. Adds longer services and more interesting services plus a sort of end point where you Uncouple the train.

 

Longer routes are always more welcome, but given what we usually get Helensburgh is probably a more likely end point. Crianlarich is a long way from Glasgow, and there are already a lot of stations between Glasgow and Helensburgh which would have to be built, especially if they were to put in both routes to Dalmuir, and the Milngavie and Balloch branches.

 

Lets play scenarios guys so we can have another teaser for the roadmap

 

Darn I was hoping for the Anglian mountains!

 

Silverlink County, as far as New Street, via the Northampton loop, and in later years I believe some terminated in the south facing bays at Rugby.

Would be immense to get a modern-ish era WCML but the reality is bleak - every train would be new to the game. Surely not?

 

their is for model reference material and potentially sound, but yea theirs nothing to do with an easy import across or anything like that.

 

For me I’d rather see the 156 as a loco DLC, more chance of it being higher quality that way. So far the 150 was woeful and the 158 was superb, a 50/50 shot for the 156.

For the 32x, I’d prefer another Scotrail route, we really need to build up the SR fleet.

Hopefully what we actually get is something with variety, a lot of UK routes we have are one trick ponies, I’d like to see something else like BPO where I can take a stopper or a flyer.

UK still has this issue of not pumping enough stock into TSW, we really need to see more loco DLC’s and mainlines. We’re about to get another 2 CL66 DLC’s & 4th CL323, more variety is desperately needed.

 

Salisbury to Exeter St Davids with the 159 & 158, 166, 150 and GWR 800/802
Edinburgh-Aberdeen 170, 158, Inter7City HST, LNER 800
Plymouth - Exeter in FGW into GWR era with mixed set HSTs 165/166, 150, 158
Carmarthen to Shrewsbury ATW era 153, 175, 170, 150

 

sounds like at least 2 years of nothing but U.K. routes to push that out

 

True but besides england german is the only other 'major' market the US exists but thats extremely niche as most of them are frieght which is boring especially in america

 

All have things going for them, I wouldn’t advocate for just one or two countries for TSW neither personally, the more the merrier.

 

Many would disagree

 

Except Chiltern don't operate the loco-hauled (class 68) trains to Oxford. I think there may have been a few runs in the past (probably when the 67s were being used).

 

68s worked to Oxford in the peak until December 2022

 

My gut feeling says that the 156 would come as part of West Highland Line, probably by Rivet. Re: MML I'd expect a 222 to arrive first given that it would add more gameplay variety than a 156 (which would just substitute for the 158 presumably), but even more than that it looks like Skyhook are focusing on freight right now.

I'm only going on what I can find on Wikipedia but a 320 looks more likely than a 321, and if so it'll surely be another suburban Scottish route.

Finally, there is the Voyager ATS leak (files referencing the Voyager were seen on Alan's desktop during a recent stream), which will presumably use the Avanti license (given that CrossCountry and Virgin are both exceptionally unlikely due to licensing).

 

Don't get my hopes up... I'd love to see a Voyager in TSW.

If it is Avanti (which it may very well be as the logo is already in the game) It's very interesting they'd put them in TSW when the Voyagers are on borrowed time there. Maybe as a send off of some kind.

I don't think it would be a portion of the WCML, as surely they'd have made a Pendolino if that was the case. My bet would be on the North Wales coast. It would tick a lot of boxes, mainly the first Welsh route which lots of people want. I'd guess Llandudno Junction to either Chester or Holyhead. If TfW are in they could easily reuse the 158, which would be welcome.

A more wild guess- Grand Central have a (single) Voyager now. Somewhere around Sunderland/ Bradford maybe? Of course, if it was a GC route they'd almost certainly use the Adelante.

Of course the leak might be nothing, which most leaks are. The picture is compelling though. It looks a lot like the livery designer in TSW... Or just a generic black background.

 

It'll be a new southern route or Welsh I feel.

 

Could it be a line with a XC voyager and a Class 360 concidering that is the first 3 digits of the other file?
EMR operate class 360's. Maybe another section of the mml??

 

Dtg don't have a XC license so that's out of the question unfortunately.