Br 218 Expectations

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  1. Richard CZE

    Richard CZE Well-Known Member

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    To be able to pull the BR218 locomotive, the BR422 Talent2 train. This requires a special connecting device. My suggestion is that this coupler be part of the issued BR218 locomotive.

     
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  2. lorenz

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    Some new wagon that is not double-decker. I'm sick of double-deckers (in general).
     
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  3. grob-e

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    There isn't that much choice...you got the UIC-X (for DB "m-Wagen") and the UIC-Y (for DR) maybe in variation to Aim(z)/Bim(z) for the most hated train type "InterRegio" in Germany
     
  4. RobertSchulz

    RobertSchulz Well-Known Member

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    So the new images in snow really do look great. I think actually a little bit of mud or snow on the livery adds very well to the rusty and old feeling of the BR 218.

    It will have n-Wagen with the Karlsruher Kopf cab car in HBK. It should substitue in some services for the 642 on Maintalbahn in push pull configuration with 3 Dostos but seems to get a bigger new timetable for HBK. Release is with one, DB traffic red, livery.

    No guarentee for exact correctness, please read the respective roadmap article for more informations.

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  5. pascal.weick

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    Really a shame that they don't model the engine room. At least something like the acela where the engine room was visible but you can't walk to the back would be way better than simply putting there a wall with doors which doesn't exist in the real loco.
     
  6. 25262

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    The snowplough is still wrong there should be a gap between the body and the plough
     
  7. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    From what I understand it's being build to layer into passenger routes only? Didn't see anything about the freight part which was also a big part of it's job (especially later in life)? Was kind of hoping to see it as an option for freight on the Maintalbahn...
     
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  8. noir

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    Complete lack of freight turned my enthusiasm very low.
     
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  9. 25262

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    They would be adding services they didn’t have
     
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  10. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    From the article, they mentioned that the 218 is underpowered so it couldn't pull the freight well.
     
  11. pasquiles

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    Do not worry for that we will have Ludmila!
     
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  12. Disintegration7

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    Are you saying it would be fictional for the setting, or more like outside the scope of the project?

    If it's the latter, i don't quite get why new services aren't part of the scope of a new loco DLC.

    Personally, not having it available for freight is pretty disappointing tbh. There's always free roam, but that only goes so far.

    Maybe Skyhook would consider a Cargo Line pack for EU routes? I really like the UK ones they've done.
     
  13. 25262

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    It would be fictional for the setting
     
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  14. Disintegration7

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    Ok that i understand- thanks for the info!
     
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  15. Maik Goltz

    Maik Goltz Well-Known Member

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    There are freight runs for sure. It's just not mentioned somewhere. But no subbing into freight trains. That would not work well with most trains pulled by locos that are more powerful as 2x 218. It's not possible to sub in 2 locos for one.
     
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  16. 25262

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    They can’t in real life so I doubt it
     
  17. pedro#1852

    pedro#1852 Well-Known Member

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    and how do you explain this? 362924078_816928659835487_2924139508792591520_n.jpg
     
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  18. Influenzo

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    Since the whole model (simplyfied engine room included) already has nearly 400.000 polygons, a detailed and acessible engine room is simply not possible for performance reasons.
     
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  19. 25262

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    Well, i have been told. In the last 20 years i have been going out there for them I never had one shoving an ic so i assumed they couldn’t
     
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  20. SHELBY230586

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    Two more pictures of the 218 were shown in the livestream. Where can you find them?
     
  21. TimTri

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    The livestream recording should be on YouTube.
     
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  22. Omnicitywife

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    Mhm, looks very good indeed, too bad I wont get the opportunity to experience it anytime soon since I'm still on TS3!
     
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  23. pascal.weick

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    If TSG still needs Audio they can use maybe a video will help. Here is a pretty good one from Youtube
     
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  24. noir

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    I tend to trust TSG as they surely have more insight than me, but I cannot really imagine that 2x218 would not be capable of running 1000t trains and we have plenty of those across routes.

    Even quick googling shows plenty of pictures where single 218 pulls 10+ wagons loaded with ballast. Most freights in TSW have 15, at most 20 wagons.

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  25. mkraehe#6051

    mkraehe#6051 Well-Known Member

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    You can't substitute one loco into two, so for substitution, you're stuck with what one of them can pull.

    How much is that? You can check for yourself: GretA, a tool from DB InfraGO that tells you precisely that, is public.

    As an example, for Dresden->Leipzig one 218 can do 920 t.

    Are there <920 t trains in the timetable? Certainly! Has the timetable been built in a way that allows for substitution settings on trains that are below that weight to be changed easily without affecting trains heavier than that? Almost certainly not. You'd also have to be smart about it, otherwhise you might end up with loads of 218s on empty car trains and none on full ones...
     
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  26. noir

    noir Well-Known Member

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    The game allows you to do exactly what the programmers tell it to do. It's not like we are not paying developers' work with every DLC.
     
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  27. meridian#2659

    meridian#2659 Well-Known Member

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    Im looking definetly forward to the 218. Personally i would appreciate a variant without plough too.
    For TSW this means 2 models, but at least in my opinion a doable effort and a bit of variety.
     
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  28. mkraehe#6051

    mkraehe#6051 Well-Known Member

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    You are right in the sense that it would be theoretically possible to throw away the entire existing substitution system and build a brand-new one that does allow that from the ground up.

    A little beyond the scope of a loco add-on (from a third party!) though, don't you think?
     
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  29. noir

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    Rewriting the substitution to allow for two engines instead of one should be a matter of rewriting like 20 lines of code, slightly more if you want to right away fix the variable length problem and eat one wagon (two wagons for pair ones) from the consist to keep the length similar.
    I'm sure that if in DLC budget are 20+ mandays for 3D modelling, we can dedicate 0,5 MD on slight adjustments of code as well.

    That is valid of course only if the codebase has at least some respectable quality and is not a catastrophic mess, as it seems from how single bugfix almost guarantees five new bugs in recent iterations of the game.

    Source: My job is a source code auditor.
     
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  30. mkraehe#6051

    mkraehe#6051 Well-Known Member

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    Even assuming that is in fact the case, you're going to have to change each timetable to let it take advantage of these new abilities (which is not a quick job; source: I make TSW timetables), and re-test every single timetable (even the ones you didn't touch) on every single route to make sure the core changes didn't break it.

    However, the filtering system (for what trains are and aren't allowed to sub in) really isn't robust enough to be able to cope with the extra degrees of freedom introduced by your proposed changes; that's why I'm saying it would need a rebuild from the ground up.

    And, again, this is a Third Party addon. I doubt DTG are in the habit of handing out TSW core source code to third party developers and letting them do what they want with it.
     
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  31. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    They don't and can't use YouTube videos because you never know the quality. You don't know what they recorded it with or how they recorded it. It's only for comparison but not for actual implementation
     
  32. cloudyskies21

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    Really looking forward to the 218, it's what I'm most excited for in TSW at this time. Hamburg-Lubeck is my favourite German route and, despite what some might say, I also genuinely like Maintalbahn (for a single-track branchline, it has an incredibly rich and varied timetable loco-wise (642, 612, 628, 363 and now the 218 plus the extra AI traffic at Aschaffenburg).

    On the topic of timetables and the 218, two questions for Maik Goltz
    • Does the new Maintalbahn timetable have the 218 replace some or the entire range of BR 642-operated services? So basically, would the 218 and 642 (and if include subbing for this DMU already in the timetable mode with the 612 and 628) coexist together?
    • Does the 218 add to the existing Hamburg timetable mode with additional services, thus complementing the 112/146+dostos? Or does the 218 replace either just some of these, or alternately, everything?
     
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  33. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    In the June roadmap, it was mentioned by tsg that the second timetable would only have the 218 while the other only has the 642
     
  34. Maik Goltz

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    On Maintal it is a separate timetable where the 218 replaces two trains that going up and down the line over the day. There wasn't the option to add them. The timetable was already full in terms of the routes capacity.

    On HBK the services are additions (a layer) to the existing ones. Some with Dostos, some with n-Wagen, some with freight.
     
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  35. cloudyskies21

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    Many thanks for your quick clarification, much appreciated. HBK sounds particularly interesting, it's certainly a nice surprise to have quite a bit of gameplay variety with these services, so thank you, I'm looking forward to the 218 even more now.
     
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  36. operator#7940

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    The freight on Maintalbahn is pulled by a 363. The 218 has more power than that by far. That's why I asked if it would sub in for the 363 since Maintalbahn was specifically mentioned for the 218. If it's not, then...well, that's another "no" for me. There's already better stuff (628) on that line for passenger trips. To each their own. Saves me a few bucks anyway.
     
  37. razmatus#2517

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    does 218 also use ZDS on any occasion, or just these two? also, when spawning in timetable, do we have to set this stuff up or is it set up as we load a service? :)
     
  38. Maik Goltz

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    Push-pull with Dostos and ZWS is basically ZDS. When using the locos as double formation, or push-pull with the n-Wagen, they should use KWS (KDS). The W and the D are just some separations for cab cars and double formations. I don't know exactly but i guess the protocol and messages are the same.

    On the timetables of HBK and Maintal there is all set up already. On other timetables, where the loco subs in, you have to take care of that by yourself. By default the loco is set to ZWS and works with the 766 cab car or in push-pull with the Dostos (and probably other coaches). But beware of the door side problem. If they use any Dostos other than HBK ones, or older other coaches, the door sides are inverted. When you need to open the left side, select the right side on the locos door side selection then, and vise versa for right, then it works fine.
     
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  39. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    yep, heard/read about the door thingie :) which apparently also affected other locos on the route, including one of my faves to drive on HBK which is BR182, which also has this inverted door problem for some reason
     
  40. OldVern

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    Which is why we need some German stock with good old fashioned "slam" doors, UIC style 232's or 235's!
     
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  41. 4-COR

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    incredible
     

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    Incredible indeed! The holy grail in the german TSW collection! :love:
     
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  43. TKessel

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    Do you mean the "Würettemberg" spelling mistake? This is not new, the decal is wrong for a long time on the N-Wagen's.
     
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  44. pascal.weick

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    I'm wondering if anybody else has this. I'm on PS5 and the Fan on the roof doesnt work on my loco. Is there something to set up to get it running or is it a bug?
     
  45. 25262

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    It runs fine for me on ps5
     
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    Maik has stated in another thread it is temperature activated. So if you thrash the beast in Notch 15 for a bit I would imagine it will start to spin.
     
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    Does anyone have brake sounds on the loco? With this I mean the air hisses when applying the brakes and releasing the brakes, as well as the emergency brake.
     
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    Yes, it does not move until you get going.
     
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    That’s the only way to drive them, straight to notch 15!
     
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    lol :D
     

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