But should never be trusted completely without reflecting it. It only generates predictions based on data it can access. Doesn't mean every prediction is realistic. Most of the time, it only looks realistic. But that's too much off topic, I guess.
Nobody buys GTA 5 to this day? Well that is just not true. After all, in order to play GTA online, you need to own GTA 5 and most players are console. They regularly get new sales. 5 million copies are sold every 3 months. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1247955/gta-v-unit-sales-worldwide-total/ https://www.ign.com/articles/grand-theft-auto-5-surpasses-200-million-units-sold. Goat Simulator had sold 2.5 million+ sales when that game came out in 2014 and a sequel didn't come out until 2022 and the studio that made that game isn't a massive studio. That game was a massive hit. Your argument is that a new game is necessary in order for it be front of the line of stores to not lose players when that there is no evidence of that at all. If you want to attract new players, have frequent sales. Advertise the product on TV or online, etc. TSW on gamepass is also a way to potentially get some new players considering it has millions of subscribers. A yearly release isn't necessary to attract new players and I seriously doubt would DTG lose players due to them not having a yearly release especially since TSW is a live service game
Which they have. At least on Steam. On console it's a bit more tricky and DTG doesn't have a lot of influence. Also remember when TSW 3 (?) was for free on Epic? Or LGV for free? Or the humble bundles where you pay like 5 quids and get get a dozen of routes? Or the fact that routes like left rhine where so much on sale, you'd only pay like 4 Euros for a long route, including two locos? I think DTG does that pretty well. And let's see what will come in future. Maybe it will be TSW5. Maybe it will be a free core upgrade. Maybe something different. Maybe nothing at all. It's a bit too early to call.
TSW 4 is on gamepass which as oved 34 million subscribers. Also tsw was part off Xbox add on sale recently if I recall
What? Have you missed the point completely? Are you reading through ChatGPT? The new version would still exist, and TSW5 would exist with all the PR stunts and routes and everything, but if you owned TSW2020/2/3/4, you would get it as well WITHOUT the routes, basically just the access to new functionalities (where implemented) and the possibility to keep on buying DLCs. Is that more understandable? This would work universally, even for consoles, no worries.
GTA Online can be bought separately on consoles. Who hasn't played the story yet? Goat Simulator? You do understand why that is a hit? You want to advertise on TV or online? What is your budget? Where do you get the budget? What departement will receive less resources because there needs to be a budget for advertising? I guess it might be more cost effective to just release a new game every year and you don't have to spend money on advertising and need to cut in your departments. That's what DTG is doing with TSW. But you do realise people will not go nuts over a being a train driver when they can be a goat?! I missed the part where you explain that for this to work you need to support multiple versions of the game. You need to keep supporting versions 1 to 5 separately. So that's where you lost me in the simplicity of it all.
The fact is that GTA 5 still sells millions of copies a year. You said it doesn't when that is not true. Also you clearly missed the point. DTG are perfectly capable of advertising this game as they have done so many times. A game not having a yearly paid release doesn't result in loss of players. There is no evidence of that. TSW is a live service game that frequently gets new content and is advertised quite well for what it is. You also do realize that a new paid update would require DTG to advertise it as well
There might be something going lost in translation. I never said GTA doesn't sell anymore. I meant it still sells because of the online play and not because of the single player story. I bought GTA 5 probably four times myself only played the SP once. Did you see advertisement for TSW 3 or TSW 4 on your TV?
A Youtube advert for TSW2 is what made me find Train Sim World. I think I saw an accolades advert for TSW3 after it came out as well. I know it isn't a TV, but my TV is broken, so this will have to do. Now I shall read the previous posts.
What exactly are you trying to argue? If for arguments sake the summer core update was free, I don't see how it would be advertised differently than if it was a paid update. Advdertisng obviously costs money and it would cost money if it was a paid core update as well. They would still offer 3 separate routes as a bundle which players could buy which has in the past attracted new players with rush hour to recoup costs of making the routes and advertising. The argument that if there wasn't a paid yearly update, the game could potentially lose players sounds odd. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of that. I could think of the opposite effect. F1 23 sales were down 40% compared to F1 22 when that game came out last year. GTA just like TSW whilst having different game styles is a live service game. New content is added in both games to retain players and to attract new players as well. I believe most of the money that is made by DTG comes from DLC sales anyways. Player numbers of a game would generally drop off if the game is no longer being supported or if no new content is added. Star Wars Battlefront 2 is an example of this. The game attracted millions of new players because they added new content. Once the live service of that game was canceled and no new content was going to be added, player numbers fell off dramatically
Wrong again... as much as they should fix issues they promised to fix in previous titles, handing existing owners a key to the newest version means you only need to keep the newest one up to date. If everyone owning previous TSWs gets access to TSW5, you only need to worry about TSW5.
I missed the part where you provide any evidence of your statements instead of ignoring my comment and replying with snarky comment nobody asked for. Now this is your most convincing argument so far, a perfect example why you should avoid releasing the very same game 5 times, and avoid leaving people who paid for the product in the dust... Not that they fix bugs in the latest iterations anyways, but still...
What I am arguing is that DTG uses the console stores as marketing tools. When TSW3 and TSW 4 were announced they were weeks visibly as upcoming games. When you opened the PS store it was on the first page for weeks. No search needed it was right in front of you. On launch week it's in the section new games for a few weeks and in my country it also showed up in "most popular in your country" for a few weeks. I am not arguing that the game loses players when it does not do a yearly release I am arguing that less new players will find the game. Should DTG spend money on advertising? Not saying they should not but they are not doing. There doesn't seem to be be a big budget for advertising is basically what I'm arguing You will have to wait for the evidence The evidence will be provided on DTG's Direct. TSW 5 will be all the evidence I need to provide
I hope Sony and Microsoft update their TOS then, as this clearly is false advertisement since these aren't "new games". But they won't because they also benefit from selling the same item 5 times to the same users.
TSW 4 is on Xbox Gamepass which as one user put it, has over 39 million subscribers. TSW on Playstation I believe has frequent sales. I believe there were some recent sales of tsw on xbox which did pop up when they are listed in the stores if you click on deals in the Microsoft Store. (Don’t know the equivalent on Playstation.) A paid core update is not necessary to attract new players and retain current players. There are other marketing tools to attract new players to the game that doesn't necessitate a paid core update which they currently do and have done in the past. Ads, ambassadors, youtube videos, articles etc. There are games that don't have paid yearly releases big and small that do just fine whilst attracting new players.
Uh, no... nor is this how one would argue. You either provide evidence of a statement when asked or simply don't state 'em. We learned this in elementary school here in Sweden, too bad they didn't wherever you grew up...
I am not Swedish, I don't obey to Swedish laws or customs. I just gave you my argument on why I think yearly cycles are a clever way of marketing. I don't have to prove anything. I would not be taking you seriously if I would demand proof that TSW would be more successful without yearly upgrades. I know you would have a hard time to proof that because it's just your opinion. To actually proof that you have to buy Focus and start restructuring. Too much work asked of someone who just want to voice their opinion. Probably a different way of debating than in Sweden but that's how we roll in Belgium. Try to keep it realistic
All you proved here is the fact that you can't read properly, can't argue properly nor give any evidence of your claims, because there aren't any... gj
Sigh, are we debating or insulting? TSW5 is happening and insulting me won't make it less true. I will now ignore you as I only want to debate this game and not your character.
You are the one responding with snarky comments when you don't get it your way rather than giving objective arguments you can prove, or subjective opinions you carefully make sure doesn't come across as facts. I've said for at least 2 years that TSW5 is happening, it's the main reason I didn't buy TSW4, even while being on sale, that's irrelevant to the question, though.
We're living in special times........ This has morphed into a debate about how to have a debate, when you're having a debate....... You've got to love humanity, you just couldn't make this stuff up.......
