CymruGiard Mate, I may have to get it but I don't know! Always wanted the 153 in the game and bam here it is. Just watching DadRails Video now and wow FOILAGE ON THE TRACKS FOR ONCE! Again just started watching.
This Branch is generally really well done in terms of scenery apart from Whitchurch and some horrific copy pasted hedges. Like some areas are beautifully made and others are a little off imo
Same here, for most of the Coryton branch and 153 I'm in, for the 'Can't be bothered' type scenery I'm out... Really not sure.
The initial previews have done little to reassure me or make me take back any statements. All seems to be well founded... Aside from the extremely mediocre quality of the build which at this point is ridiculous for TSW5, we were told that the timetable wasn't a 1:1 (again there should be no reason the timetable couldn't be, but I digress), but the timetable included seems semi accurate but not full or realistic, and AI the same... Deflating much. What happened from progressing to full timetable to then make half axxx ones? Surely a set back that is completely unnecessary? As Matt put it in the stream last week "if it isn't for you don't buy it", yep, definitely not... I think at this stage I'll only buy it if the 153 or 150 have layering options on future routes. And to clarify again so there's no uncertainties, I am not buying it because it's quality is not line with the evolution of the game, NOT because I don't like network routes (which I absolutely do).
Then you got Matt Gaslighting us here when he said back in August if it doesn't sell they don't make networker routes. It aint't gonna sell if the quality isn't up there! Going to think carefully about it I think.
Exactly mate. I don't play FCL for the exact reason, I got it mainly for the 170 and the hopes of Edinburgh being busy and the scenery being amazing but was disappointed and said to myself I learnt a lesson from that one.
Honestly might end up flipping a coin on it, because I know the money could be spent on something else, but I am so tempted by the routes best features.
Only think the 153 be the tempting thing but I can't justify at all. Cardiff Central being dead. Bad Scenery. etc
Watched some of BA’s video & still seeing that the track shadow draw distance is the older, closer rendering system. Whitchurch still looks an absolute mess though, those flats are simply not acceptable for such close scenery. Just compare those ones to the Birchgrove blocks - insane difference, the Whitchurch blocks literally have no textures applied. The 153 though has some excellent sound setup, the rumble & revving on it is by far some of the most immersive I’ve heard, even beating the 158. For PS5 users, he did preview on a PS5 so probably worth taking a look, I haven’t watched a lot of it but the 20ish minutes I did catch, didn’t see any texture loss (other than where there weren’t any in the first place). Can’t say I’m swayed overall. The 153 is great, but it looks like the route was on track to be really, then someone pulled the plug on development before it got there.
Looking at the Hedge textures as well as Dadrail, very generic and not much effort put into it and also with the Rivet buildings as well. Its something any of us could do with the Scenery. Very basic. Only thing I would struggle with is the track laying and signalling. Pretty sure there are devs around here who could argue my opinion or agree with it. But it surely it isn't rocket science?
Another Grudge Dadrail has mentioned and many of us here. No guard buzzing back on the route. Again dovetail not listening to the customers. I just don't get it.
One thing I have to say about the signals… routing in to central from ninian park and Grangetown …. The theatre boxes display the platform numbers irl and not letters….
I have decided to hang off and wait for a sale plus more interesting DLC has came up though on xbox a sale is once in a blue moon and certain DLC you don't want
I'm gonna throw some screenshots into the feedback thread once it's up and see if they do any updates or fix any of the scenery. I do like it and the 153 but not for £30 with those issues we've all spoken about. It may be a sale purchase for me too honestly. But there have been several routes on my wishlist for ages with no sales for them
This is what I have been saying, the notches are too low. Most drivers in real life use the 3-5-7 notch method, with notch 3 on these sprinters being loud and revvy. However, 150/2 and 153 in game, when departing from clips I’ve seen, rev up somewhat fine but then the revs drop down WAY too low. These sprinters should behave similar to the class 158 from SHG.
If he keeps going at that rate they'll have nothing left to make, bit of a poorly thought out, childish statement.
This was mentioned on the live stream. Apparently they want to (at some point) implement an AI guard. They don't want to add just the "buzz buzz" back, because this is only triggered to the doors and isn't realistic....(Despite it being better than nothing, and adding to immersion) ....but apparently it's ok to close doors on a red signal, that's been a thing since forever.
'at some point' Lol. Do find that funny. Because what is the bet it isn't actually going to happen. Hope to be proven wrong
So i just watched a video on YouTube that describes the teleporting feature as a “cool little feature” because the concourse was too much to model… or words to those affects… sigh… will agree to disagree on this opinion…
It’s alright. I just wish there was a difficulty option to treat giving two against a red as a SPAD as it would be IRL.
My personal "customer feature" for any further dtg content is the new introduced "No Buy Button". Means the hype will be teleported elsewhere.... Really cant believe blindly supported the franchais almost 3 years with day 1 purchaises and wanted to forgive devs any bugs for their learning curve blabla bla. As a customer i had my learning curve. Since quality isnt a primary focus, i really dont see a point either to spend too much time with tsw.
Before closing the doors, if I'm at a red signal I give it a chance to become green. Which surprisingly works every time. Although if I wanted, I could still close the doors on a red. But the neat thing is you don't have to. Don't know if this works with all routes though.
"I´ve got an idea: let´s make one bit of route really amazing, so they can´t resist to buy it. The rest we´ll do fast and dirty".
…errr, not the best way to promote your DLC there! That very statement tells me that he really doesn't care!
Just love how no one from the Dovetail Team has communicated anything on this forum. Would be nice to get acknowledgement and address these issues we have put. Hate to be harsh but they are scared of our feedback. But again always an ongoing issue it is so nothing new.
Not sure if this is just me but the route actually looks better in Dadrails videos than it did in the DTG streams? Apart from the dodgy bit at Whitchurch and the clean area around the depot. Gonna have a rewatch of the preview stream to see if it's just me or if there is some difference though!
It could be that DTG was using a lower bitrate for their streams and DadRail was an actual video? I don’t know - I don’t think it’s changed, happy to be corrected.
There has been criticism of DTG streaming quality on recent prerelease clips - the Ludwig one for Germany looked awful lo res, like watching a DVD on a 65” 4K TV!
I did think the same with BA’s too but then he did show off much less of the route. A big change for me was the buildings didn’t look as over contrasted around Cardiff Central. Pleasantly surprised too as he was on a PS5 & uploaded in 1080p. Then again the steam from DTG wasn’t great quality - that in itself as an issue we’ve had before & there was a period where DTG were making a fuss out of getting it sorted out, but it’s not really improved IMO. The thing is though that ultimately the route is very small & you’re going to want to do things across all of it & even within the 10mile stretch BA shown off, there were still stand out bits which didn’t look good at all. Overall I would say BA at least, did a better job at showing off the good parts of this DLC in 30/40mins, than DTG did in about 2 hours. I think the steam quality from DTG, Jamie shouting into his Mic, awkward answering of questions & Matt trying to defend things which simply aren’t good enough, did a fair bit of work in achieving the poor reaction we’ve seen so far.
Agreed. I also found it interesting, how they kept reiterating they always work with multiple partners on their routes/projects. Now this could just be me. But I don't think the number of partners being worked with, was what some in the community had issue with.
It certainly comes over a lot better in the streams I’ve watched today, than in the preview. I still think some of the buildings aren’t great. But in places it actually looks really good and I really like the 153. One really minor thing that gets on my nerves though are the collectibles. They are very obvious in a few places and will never disappear. Once you collect a love spoon there will forever be a cushion left on the platform. And with the Welsh cakes there will be a plate left behind. It may be a small thing but it’s really annoying. Anyway, not getting it day one, but not ruling out getting it in a few weeks once I’m bored with my other routes.
May be dtg were using earlier builds. Dad rail had the latest one. They had a similar thing with fife circle and it's not half bad scenery wise now.
Watching TheBritishAce vid of closing the doors on a red, very frustrating. I think it’s to do with the next instruction as you go onto the single line. If you look on the Coryton branch at Heath Low Level towards Cardiff, the signal “steps up” as soon as you’ve completed the arrival instruction.
*correction* "I've got an idea: let's make one bit of the route ourselves really well and then we'll palm the rest off on Rivet as we need to build an add on for toddlers"
Noticed this on the TSW community on Facebook, rivet liking the compliments/feedback. Maybe this further proves that this new route is a rivet route all along
DTG are playing smoke and mirrors around the Rivet situation... "We work with several developers... " Which I personally think boils down to: "we done the 153 in house and the route along with the 150 were produced by Rivet". So whilst they aren't exactly lying by saying several developers were involved, they are not exactly specific either... For a company willing to give Rivet glowing reviews, they sure are shady and unwilling to expand on any information regarding their involvement. Surely if you had confidence in a company you'd stand by your convictions and have no issue with naming Rivets involvement with their work? I've watched a few different streams now and I'm still really not impressed or swayed over in anway. If we compare the route to JTs Blackpool to Ormskirk in the Pacer, JTs offering completely out shines this route in every way. Surely, new TSW5 content should either be equal or above the quality previous content and a slight evolution going forward? This just seems bland. The timetable not being 1:1, the scenary and route looks mediocre, and just because it has a few patches of grass in one location does not give it a boost in anyway. It just does not appear to have the edge or playability it could well have... Is this the future we have to look forward to, just accepting this standard? Or is it a sign DTG are moving onto the next title in the game or completely new gaming engine for TSW, hence why the quality is declining in the current title whilst DTG secretly work and focus their attention and internal resources on a large project in the backround that will transpire to be a completely new game and successor to the current version of TSW? Is this is the beginning of the end for this current variant of TSW? And are these mediocre outsourced content releases cash cows to finance the new title in the short term? It doesn't take a lot of detective work to come to such conclusions. If that is the case they are leaving really bad taste in peoples mouth with quality, and enough damage to their image that they may fianlly scare of the retained and consistent hard core players of the game which have seen it through thick and thin... Big core issues, mediocre content? It doesn't look and feel good at the moment...
This route/network should have £19.99 price point all over it. Not a chance worth the £29.99. They'd have converted a lot maybes to purchasers.
