Cardiff City Line Discussion

Discussion in 'TSW General Discussion' started by james64, Aug 20, 2024.

  1. Jpantera

    Jpantera Well-Known Member

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    Generic stuff minimises revenue potential. Now the 150 and 153 are done behind the scenes the Lampoil will getting looked at for the next exciting DLC!!

    Season of reveals awaits!!

    Tune in next week for a reveal of an announcement of a reveal of a deep dive.....
     
  2. ilovelucky63

    ilovelucky63 Well-Known Member

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    I purchased this route last night and did a couple of services in the 153.

    Great first impressions, my first trip was Penarth to Coryton on a sunny spring morning, the sunrise and shadows made it particularly atmospheric. I have never traveled on the network in real life but it was still fun to explore. Cardiff Central seems busy with lots of traffic but I think it needs more passengers. Loved seeing the Millennium stadium dominating the horizon as you approached the junction in to Cardiff central.

    There's a few glitches I noticed but on the feedback thread it seems they have been acknowledged and will be fixed soon.
     
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  3. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Simply put it is the wrong livery.

    Other operators have other liveries, other cabs, other interiors. This is why you don't see east midlands 158's at Glasgow Central and LNER azuma trains at London Paddington. There would need to be a complete interior and exterior overall per operator depending on the differences from TOC to TOC. It's effectively a waste of time and money without a proper route to run it on. For example it you want a GWR 150, just wait for another GWR route to come out. It'll almost certainly happen. Same if you want northern or ScotRail if it's the 153 your after. But if your that desperate creators club exists where you can get these liveries and scenarios to match. Sure the Interior won't be the same but it's a temporary fix til such a time that these liveries are released in a full route/timetable.
     
  4. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Well we have got 2 + 4 GW HST's masquerading on Glasgow to Edinburgh, so the artistic licence has precedent.
     
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  5. CK95

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    This is just another symptom of having everything set in the Modern day. The UK content as whole would be much more alive if even half of it was set back in Sectorisation era’s.

    That being said, if we’re continuing to get reused stock, it would be nice to at least get 1 other ToC variant along with it. The 150/2 alone was so poor the first time around & hasn’t exactly made leaps & bounds with CCN, there isn’t so much value in it they couldn’t have added one other livery & interior.
     
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  6. 50001

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    I think game designers need to make pragmatic choices. I'd rather have a Regional Railways or NR white 153 on the Midland timetable rather than nothing at all. People can always switch them off if they don't like them. I don't worry about the wrong shade of seat colour when I'm driving a train and, in any case, 153s have moved around so much they often carried the livery of their former franchise for a long time after moving operators. Some 153s carried Regional Railways livery into the 21st century.

    But I agree about Sectorisation - circa 1991 provides a small number of operators but a huge range of liveries, most of which could appear almost anywhere!
     
  7. Jpantera

    Jpantera Well-Known Member

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    BR Doesnt sell. Apparently.
     
  8. 50001

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    Blackpool and Carlisle seem to be just about the most discussed routes on here. Someone must be buying them...

    I suspect the truth is that historic routes need much more research to get right. For today's railways you just have to look out of the window... It's all about the bottom line and margins.
     
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  9. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Fair point. Although I don't agree with that. But to be fair, that did happen for a brief period at least at depots. As aposed to TFW 150s
     
  10. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    BR blue doesn't sell when done by DTG.

    When done by Just Trains however, its a different story.
     
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  11. SierraOscar95

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    I think TSW had a lot less players in its early days when it released its BR era content... Given the success and huge progress the game has made since those early days, and the amount of new players, if DTG developed a new BR route in house it could be a HUGE success. But to match the reception of JTs releases, make quality a priority.

    JT have made a success of it because of the love that goes into a route... Might I make a suggestion, BR Mk1 slam door electrics on the SWML or SEML? The sound packs and reference material already exist...

    One thing DTG should learn from Cardiff Valley. Keep developments in house and do not outsource work if you're putting you name on a route that doesn't excel or match the quality of your own previous in-house developed content. I don't think anyone cares about outsourcing arrangements, but what they clearly do care about is content matching the standards that are possible and other developers have set a benchmark with. DTG developed the GOBLIN? To the back track into the barely mediocre content we presently have with this add on... (Well in my opinion).
     
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  12. RattenReich

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    We have 171 years of railway history, pre-privatisation fiasco.

    All DTG can do is concentrate on the worst era in UK railway history.
     
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  13. Jpantera

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    Rationale is that it sells, and that its easy to research. But yes basically we are stuck in a modern day cycle with only JT feeding us some older stuff.
     
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  14. trainsimplayer

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    We have GWR HSTs on EDN (158) and are set to have ScotRail 158s on the Manchester Airport route.

    Also there's no reason to say that the 150/153 couldn't be amended in a Mildmay-style debranded layer.
     
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  15. Cam

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    On the Xbox Series X just bought the route today getting these particular artifacts I've seen before on other dlc I own, the route is quite nice if you can ignore this and the route by route for me at least audio popping and obvious let downs in scenery, I did raise support tickets but I've seen over the years how they are pretty redundant it would seem.

    The class 153 ai is eerily silent too.
     
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  16. ilovelucky63

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    A lot of people including myself have reported this weird glitch so I suspect that will be fixed in the next patch.
     
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  17. DTG Jamie

    DTG Jamie Community Manager Staff Member

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    Are aware of the issue and has been logged with the team .
     
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  18. Cam

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    Thanks for the quick response Jamie appreciate it.
     
  19. cloudyskies21

    cloudyskies21 Well-Known Member

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    Hi Jamie, the same issue still also occurs with the Eanos Wagons that came with the BR 193 Vectron. Can this be finally logged and sorted as well as it's exactly the same bug? Thank you.
     
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    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    As anyone done job 2F50 Treherbert to Cardiff Central . I cant get into Cardiff Queen street keeps say train is off path but its clear path into Queens street and the blue route is ok. Tried 3 times and still cant do it.
     
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  21. subwayvaughn

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    The layout and scenery for this route is just straight up handsome and I really like the single-track branches. Cardiff has an urban, and light suburban / rural feel to it which I never expected from a route in Whales. I'm glad I purchased Cardiff Central over the London Overground since I tend to get bored of London Overground routes fairly quicky. Cardiff Network (imo) has more interesting elements which have me playing it over and over. No disappointments here.
     
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  22. OldVern

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    Fired up the Locomaster Profiles Cardiff to Rhymney loco hauled cab ride on the exercise bike this morning and actually felt quite sad.

    Now that DTG have issued this tiny little route, there’s probably little chance of them or any other developer revisiting the Cardiff Valley Lines and building us a proper full length route such as Rhymney to Barry Island set in the late 90’s/early 00’s when these loco hauled peak services were in their prime. But just as the part Mildmay and part Bernina line mean we will never see the full length of those in the game, DTG with their lack of vision have killed off Cardiff. Unless they genuinely intend to expand the network later, though based on past results that seems doubtful.

    Ironically an early 00’s proper Valley Line to Rhymney might even have been easier to build. Less complex track layout at Cardiff Central and Queen Street. The JT Class 142 could have been drafted in along with the updated WCL 150. A reskinned Class 37 or Class 37/4 rework hauling the existing Mark 2A coaches. Maybe a Class 143, which the game needs anyway.
     
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