I'm pretty sure there is a mod on the community that lets you control the RHTT and brings various improvements to the pack. Shame it's too complicated for the developers to implement initially. I swear the modders are the only thing propping the game up.
Hi Tom, I'm not aware anyone said anything about it being to complicated. I said it hasn't been the focus. For a full time operation you can't just do things that aren't in the plan. Time is money. Modders have the luxury of dipping in and out at will with no overheads or restrictions. Its great to be a modder but the work environment cannot be compared.
Hi Adam. The star of the show was the extensive work that went into bringing the legacy Class 20 up to a modern standard with suspension and additional changes to make it into the (albeit Unbranded) ex DRS version. The included Timetable services for WCMLs totals x4 which could have been scoped out to be so much more, there's no shunting moves, there's nothing more than the simplest of full length route runs, and whilst authentic why couldn't you add more to it, there's so much scope on WCMLs to utilise the sidings and yards to make up some original gameplay. Cargo Line Aggregates had a miltitude of movements aside from just driving from point a to point b, and this also included work to MML to integrate this (and yes i know MML is your route and you don't have the scope to make changes to the WCMLs route itself) but the gameplay for the 20's on WCMLs could have been made so much larger. Then the Class 47 operates 14 services on the JT route, my issue with this is why put so much time into the Class 20 and then use it for just x4 timetable services. Of all the DLC within TSW there was just 1 that you found 4 services to put together for. You even added it as statics to MML but there's zero timetable services. I guess you could argue (and i'm trying to be constructive here not argumentative) that adding random, none authentic services might not be what players want, but the wagons on the JT route are some 20years out of date anyways so none authentic in that way anyways. Some TSW DLC more recently have added services that might not be 100% accurate but have been added to enhance gameplay and variety and perceived value for money. Surely you could have added 20 services to WCMLs that include cold starts, shunting, loco moves, trip to the shed, railtour etc? In the JT route you could have copied the 47 led services for the 20 as well and given people the option to "use the class 20s, even if not era appropriate". In summary (the wagons are fine) the Class 20 had to be the star of the show, players were excited to get a modern version of the chopper but in my opinion the gameplay lacked, I can already use the class 47 on the JT route for (to me) more interesting services than the Nuclear pack added. Also I hate that we now have multiples of timetables for the same routes because TSW teams won't consent to new stock adding additional layers by other devs. It's not a criticism of this pack, but its stupid. We all have the choice to turn seperate layers on and off so if all of a sudden gameplay is affected you can tweak your layers and gameplay experience to your liking. OTS has managed to get over 1500 services onto WCMLs so why DTG can't allow some more onto their basic TT is illogical.
Thanks for taking the time to provide the insight. We'll do what we can to take this forward to our current and future projects. If an opportunity does arise to expand the Nuclear pack, we will bear your feedback in mind. Cheers
If I can chime in as well, I like the pack and have mostly been doing the 47 jobs on Shap however as ToffeeKat has said, the Class 20 was the star and it isn't really utilised. I can't recall which came first, CLV5 or WCML Crewe-Brum, but the 20s would have slotted nicely onto that route, especially as the secure compound at Basford Hall is there for all to use. I found myself regularly shunting 20s and the nukes around then taking them for a trip south quite often, it would be nice to do that on a timetabled service rather than doing it yourself on freeroam
Honestly I have a different opinion from some others, I view the nuclear wagons as the star of the show not the class 20 I would have love for some of the older nuclear wagons to be added but I still think it’s good value
For me it's about the whole package. The wagons get a lot more gameplay than the class 20 though. Overall, the pack has more value than the military one.
Disagree if want i think in most the cargo packs the scenarios are terrible no difference to a timetable run.
That is true, most scenarios are regular timetables. But I still think the timetables have a lot of value.
Yes agree they still a lot of value just they could have put more effort into making some really good scenarios.
Fingers crossed. It does seem pretty obvious now knowing what I figured out there, it's really just the case that in flipping the model around the need to also flip the rain effect on the windows was overlooked. As a side note, I was actually really surprised and impressed by how in depth that effect goes on other trains. On the Class 20 and the other flat windowed locos I showed in the video the cutoff speed for snow or rain landing on the back window was 5mph. It turns out though that on slanted windows such as on the Class 31 they accurately raise the cutoff point, so the 31 won't stop having rain land on the glass until you're going over 11mph. And on even more slanted windows such as with the 80X classes the rain or snow never does stop hitting the window at any speed, but it still grows less intense at higher speeds while the front grows more intense.
Hey, I tried a couple of services after the last update (released April 27, 2026) and I'm having a lot of derailment without clear reason on London Milton route with the Class 20 loco, running scenarios and services from the journey mode. So far the only thing in this journey that was working until the end was the scenario "[CL] Class 20 Introduction" . I was running the scenario "[CL] 6M95 Dungeness PS - Sellafield BNF" and the train (Class 20) suddenly derailed after 1 hour without any reason (afaik) on straight line, maybe at a station (not remember for sure). Then I tried the service "6A73 Crewe Sidings - Willesden Brent (FNA)". As soon as I started to move, the train bumped in all directions and derailed. This is likely the easiest to reproduce as it happens from the start (release brakes, put power, enjoy the yolo). Then I tried the scenario "[CL] 6062 Crewe Sidings - Dungeness PS" and I had the same issue not from the start but in a station iirc. Am I doing something wrong? And/or anyone is having the same issues? I don't know if these issues were there before the patch or not. Thanks edit: PC/Steam
I play on PC - Steam Just run 6A73 today 02/05 and can report the service completed without any issues.
