Route Cathcart Circle Line - Feedback Thread

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  1. frank351981

    frank351981 Active Member

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    Had two times a crash too. Both time table drive. One from Glasgow to neilston with 380. Crash to Desktop at Pollokshield East Area. Started again, then I came through.
    Second from Neilston back, some around Cathcart / Mount Florida (dont know anymore where exact) again Crash to Desktop.
    Repeated the tour (could be possible it was another time), then I noticed the KI trains in opposite directions had a traffic jam. 3 or 4 KI trains stand bevor Pollokshields East.

    Another thing: when I start a drive there are a many people at my platform - a very many people. Itself ok, but they all are coming out from my train, instead of going in.
     
  2. Cyklisten

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    I've bought the DLC anyway. My intention was to wait for a sale as it's another modern EMU, but the reviews were good and I enjoyed CC a lot when it released, so a new, busy timetable was DESIRABLE for me as well. My only issue so far are the stopping markers for 4+4 formations, when there is plenty of platform left in front, but the last carriage is outside of the platform and is not opening the doors (ok, it's one of the pros of this DLC). The game still asks me to open the doors, but after the stopping timer is finished I'm good to proceed.
     
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  3. Cd1990

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    Not sure if this has been reported elsewhere yet, but the 801 appears to have a tendency to depart Glasgow with the doors wide open. Noticed this when it left on the 0648 service to London.
     
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  4. Inkar

    Inkar Well-Known Member

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    Another issue with the 801 Azuma is that the AI leaves the wipers on when the train is waiting at Glasgow Central.
     
  5. glendathu

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    On the BR Class 312 ,is the DSD Activation lever only for decoration purposes ??

    If I switch it ON, it has no effect, there is even no clicksound when I press the DSD/SIFA key. Nor is there a clickpoint for the mouse on a pedal or something...

    Or did I miss something ?
     
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  6. Inkar

    Inkar Well-Known Member

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    IIRC the DSD in the 314 is different. You need to keep the pedal pressed at all times or it stops the train.

    In the game, you keep the pedal pressed automatically when you sit in the drivers chair and the train will be stopped if you get up from the chair. There is no button interaction with the pedal.
     
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  7. glendathu

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    So on this line my hardware foot panel is useless. It just plays as it had no DSD at all then. Thanks for your help!
     
  8. Sharon E

    Sharon E Well-Known Member

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    This is why here in the US, it was called a "dead man's pedal".
     
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  9. Funky_Strudel

    Funky_Strudel New Member

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    Super happy with the refreshed route. Just as some already pointed out, the lighting effect is bit iffy in the short tunnels and underpasses.

    To give further kudos, this route was my guilty pleasure for some reason and I have downloaded it again few weeks ago, to find out how dated it became after playing more than two years with new content… I was surprised to see it get remastered, hence deleted and went back.
    Awesome! I was so excited, that I bought the 380 right away, as I am also happy, that it gives better field of view from the cockpit, than the 385, where you can’t see LOVE and it kinda broke the Glasgow - Edinburgh route for me… which means revisiting it with 380 :)

    Definitely blow of fresh air to drive new EMU unit on this route, even tho 314 holds soft spot in my heart.
     
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  10. ApollonJustice

    ApollonJustice Well-Known Member

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    On 380 also. DSD seems not working (PS5). Or is it just me...

    Overall a great Upgrade. Most of the small issues have already been mentioned, like the blurred destination board on the 314.
     
  11. bdlhouston#8691

    bdlhouston#8691 Well-Known Member

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    Small change I would make, Newton services should say either via maxwell park, or via mount florida in the timetable
     
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  12. barryr21

    barryr21 Well-Known Member

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    On PS4 passengers don't get off at the end of services and I am doing the turn around with passengers on board. Also if I am starting a service from a siding the train is full of passengers prior to pulling into the station.

    Also Williamswood PIS doesn't show any info. The text is blank.
     
  13. MJCKP

    MJCKP Well-Known Member

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    I have also had it crash to desktop, with
    Code:
    Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0x00000000982c0000
    
    VCRUNTIME140
    
    I was doing the 'Dr Snow' scenario, I believe I was approaching either Queen's Park or Crosshill
     
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  14. Scotrail170

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    Looks as if the lighting fix for Whitecraigs was not implemented for launch. Ran 2N28 during October and there were no station lights on when I pulled in. Every other station I called at had lights on.

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  15. Sharon E

    Sharon E Well-Known Member

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    Driving 314 service 2N16 and encountered a stopped train at the first stop. This train had a green signal, and the doors were closed. Waited 5 minutes and no movement from that train. Will go back to my save and delete this train.
    Once the stopped and not running train was removed, finished the service without further issues.
     
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  16. SteveRail

    SteveRail Well-Known Member

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    The stopping point for 6 car 380s are incorrect on all circle stations bar Cathcart & Crosshill. They are based on a 3 car rather than 6 by looks of it.

    *Pollockshields East correctly has last carriage over hang.
     
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  17. Sharon E

    Sharon E Well-Known Member

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    Have not looked closely at the stop points on the platforms. Is there a 6 car one? I am thinking you are referring to the game projected stopping point and not the one on the station platform.
     
  18. SteveRail

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    Yeah there are 6 car stop market signs which I’m using but the stopping point to collect points is at the 3 car stop sign
     
  19. maccagee#4924

    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    Two things I noticed.
    Passengers waiting on platform 2 at Neilston. No-one waits for a train there, it's arrivals only from Glasgow only. It's been this way since the route first came out.
    Secondly, some of the AI destinations on the PIS at Glasgow Central have Paisley Canal (which is a terminus these days), when they should have Paisley Gilmour Street.
     
  20. Sharon E

    Sharon E Well-Known Member

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    With the new scoring system, you lose very little by using the 6 car stop point on the platform. I do this on other routes. Just because I end up 20+ yards past the game stop, I still get platinum.
     
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  21. maccagee#4924

    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    Here's one for you. Two of your enthusiast layers are not allowed in real-life.
    Class 40s and 45s (as well as 46) are banned from Glasgow Central due to derailing incidents in 1970s. They had trouble coping with the points at Central.
     
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  22. marcsharp2

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    Would they even be allowed without high density headlights? The 37s and Blackpool 47s have them. But nothing else.

    I remember years ago I was on 37 hauled Railtour to Scotland and the high density headlight failed at Waverley and Network Rail wouldn't let us proceed without it. Caused chaos in the morning peak.
     
  23. jambo#2513

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    When on the 6 car 380 in still tells you sometimes to stop at the 3 car 380 stop sign.
     
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  24. maccagee#4924

    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    It's the wheel arrangements. The co-co locos struggled with the complex pointwork. Kept derailing so it was easier to just ban them.
     
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  25. cjp#8580

    cjp#8580 New Member

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    There rlare two stations on this route where the passenger information screens are not working
     
  26. Crosstie

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    Can't complete " Press Release " scenario due to red light tie up in approach to Glasgow Central.

    When stabling the train at Shields Depot at the end of " Semi Circle Service ", it's chock full of passengers. Where are they going?
     
  27. bdlhouston#8691

    bdlhouston#8691 Well-Known Member

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    Small thing with an AI service, the 17:11 to Kilmarnock should actually go as far as girvan
     
  28. ididntdoit

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    Job well done. Breathed some life into this route. Lovin it.
     
  29. TrainsAndWellbeing

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    There is still signalling issues on this route; I just got thrown out with a signal passed at danger when the stepped signal on Up Muirhouse showed a yellow for the approach to the Up Outer Circle line (Pollokshields East), and the signal for the Down Inner and Up Barhead. The other issue is that on a great many services approaching that stepped signal, both signal heads are on green so you don't actually know where you're being routed making it a bit pointless.

    I'm also seeing AI trains moving from Glasgow Central on red signals then stopping again. Given that "Sim" is implied as being short for simulator the signalling really needs to work correctly, which it doesn't on a few of the routes I drive regularly in the game.

    Other than those bugs I think the route has great potential and is definitely improved.
     
  30. arcsin

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    TrainsAndWellbeing Do you mean this signal:
     
  31. TrainsAndWellbeing

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    That's right. It's not technically a distant signal because it can show the danger aspect but when you are clear to pass it should show one less restrictive aspect which is what tells you where you're going so; you can have two reds which mean stop, you can have a red and a yellow which you can read just like a stepped distant, or you can have a green and a yellow but not two greens because put simply you have to go somewhere and the points will be blocking one of the routes.

    It looks like we're describing the same issue in the case of the two greens.
     
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  32. TrainsAndWellbeing

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    The Ayr to Bo'ness rail tour is un-drivable with the awful watercolour style lighting TSW favours. The service starts at 16:33 1Z55 by Shields Road either with a Class 40, 45, or 52. Signals are completely washed out and you can be approaching signals that seem whitish yellow then look red when you are right at them at which point the SPAD is committed. I'm driving the current date so today that's 14th August. It's a shame because it's quite an interesting service bypassing Glasgow Central.

    I hope this can be fixed as I'm guessing this will affect other services too.
     
  33. maccagee#4924

    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    The 40 and 45 shouldn't be options anyway, those locos are banned from Glasgow Central in real life.
     
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  34. TrainsAndWellbeing

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    Actually although the description says you’re going to Glasgow Central and leaving the train overnight, those two don’t actually go there in the game. You start on the Ayr line heading in the direction of Glasgow Central but you go under the mainline and take Down Terminus Curve to Polokshields West then head for Newton, The tour seems to be Ayr to Bo’ness without calling at Glasgow Central so I imagine that would be OK. The service description in the timetable doesn’t seem to be what you end up driving and so far I haven't seen the Class 40 or 45 doing any AI stuff into Glasgow Central.
     
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  35. maccagee#4924

    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    Obviously it's been changed then at some point. They need to update the scenario info.
     
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    Think I found a red light bug today... doing 2M75 7:13 Newton to Glasgow... When I on my last stretch before Glasgow I noticed a 6 car 314 was stopped at a red light which never seemed to change, it was right at Pollokshields East station and its a train that would have been heading away from Glasgow (that train would have arrived at that station at 7:14 and heading to Neilston, so it would have been stuck there for about 30 minutes when I passed). That caused a cascade of stuck trains all the way to Glasgow Central... starting with a 3 car 380 behind it that should have been 7:27 to Newton, then a 2 car 158, a 4 car 380, 4 car 158, 2 3 car 314s, a 4 car 158 and then stuff not able to leave Glasgow itself cause of the jam.

    I'll try that service again when I can and see if it was a one off or a repeating issue.
     
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  38. lovetrains 3628

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    Lovely route upgrade really enjoying the route when ive played it note i dont have the 380
     
  39. dean stansfield

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    We have 390's in Glasgow.
    Thank you.
     
  40. man_utduk2002

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    350s covering transpennine express to Liverpool lime street looks odd but it's a nice filler
     
  41. maccagee#4924

    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    I am not a fan but I remember when 350s were used by TPE, even some in that livery.
    The Creators Club will have no doubt added the TPE and LM liveries.
     
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    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    Also, while I like the idea of turning layers off, I think DTG missed a trick here.
    Nine days after Avanti gained the WCML franchise, the class 314s were withdrawn. So it's a very small window if you want to be as realistic as possible in TSW. And even then most 390s were in that white livery as they waited to get their Avanti livery applied.

    What would have been nice is to have the chance to turn off the base layer 314s in the new timetable as well.
    That way you could have a completely modern timetable in Cathcart... should you wish!

    But I doubt that option will come. At least Creator's Club will allow me - when I eventually get the 390 - to use VT livery and sprinkle in the odd 314 in Carmine and Cream, to take me back a few years!
     
  43. ZebraOnARoof

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    What times do they spawn?
     
  44. man_utduk2002

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    I think it was 1204 departure from platform 5 at Glasgow Central
     
  45. maccagee#4924

    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    I was doing a timetable service last night where you take an ECS service from Glasgow Central to Shields Road.
    I was in exterior view and I noticed as I passed the disused sidings at Salkeld Street, two passengers appeared for about a second next to the Central bound line and then disappeared.
    It's happened before where a passenger has whizzed across the track in front of the train in the same location.
    It's only ever happened with the Class 380.

    Odd.
     
  46. marcsharp2

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    Oooh it's a McGhostie
     
  47. maccagee#4924

    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    No, the only alleged ghosts around there are in the Central station hotel!
     
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  48. deadlytrain#6856

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    Not sure if it's a bug, but I spawned in at glasgow Central on sep 26 at 18:00 and seen a class 314-6car glitching with a class 380?
     

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    Hi all, I'm having a problem with the "Extra Time" scenario. On arrival at Glasgow Central station, the passenger drop off progress bar is not filling up. I have tried restarting from checkpoint, passing red traffic lights, resetting the simulation but it doesn't help.
    Lately on different routes in TSW 5 very often I encounter scenarios that don't work:mad:.
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  50. dean stansfield

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    8 on the keyboard and manually open the doors.
    Did you stop where you should?
    I've got this route, I'll take a look when I'm home tonight devadatta,3 hours to go.
    Yeah you mentioned ECML had problems doing scenarios also.
     
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