Simple. Ap didn't give it to them and dtg had to figure out where to get sounds before it got released. They probably didn't have time to plan out a full recording trip before launch when ap said no to dc sounds.
Will this mean that they finally address that not all ScotRail trains are coloured the same, even though they all have the exact same livery?
350, 360, 380 all have the same PCFM discrete function Originally 350 was high frequency PCFM discrete which a pile of rubbish until new flux control uploaded by G editor 444, 450, 700 all have the same PCFM continuous ramp function on DC 700 has shorter period PCFM ramp function on AC 332, 333 just a pile of rubbish simple carrier frequency + CHM sync???
I'm not aware of the technical differences between the different Desiro classes, although the 332 and 333 are barely related as they weren't Desiros and weren't even built by Siemens, although they were designed by them.
I'm sorry, "vocal few"? Ever since the very first day ECML came out I've seen people wishing for a 91. I can't recall people clamouring for a 380 until the teasers and then all of a sudden a switch flipped and everyone wanted it, despite the general trend on this forum being to detest any modern EMU. I'll still probably get the 380, it's a nice train and I definitely prefer them to 385s. I only hope we get a route to Ayr in the future so they can stretch their legs a bit. We kept going on about it because it's a fan favourite loco that both fans of modern and classic traction love. Just because a different loco is teased doesn't mean we're gonna stop talking about how much we'd like it to appear. We'll keep talking about it too, same we'll keep requesting a new freight loco.
People set themselves up for disappointment despite DTG literally telling us what the new loco was in the teaser. Anybody who still thought it was going to be a 91 was deluding themselves. It was very clear what it was going to be. Even from Matt’s desirable comment a few months ago.
700s sound different on DC, I have ridden a 350 and a 380 and personally I didn't notice much if any difference though the 380s certainly feel more spacious inside.
I do like Cathcart circle although don't feel it really needs any DLC, I would have preferred a new route, like the Ayr line for the class 380. However I will probably get this. I do hope Cathcart gets a TOD4 update as for me it is one of the worst routes for being too dark, especially with the numerous cuttings you drive through.
Totally agree. I'm worried that TOD4 wasn't mentioned on the roadmap. It's a deal-breaker for me as a full-price purchase. Can someone from DTG provide clarification?
If the 380 is now done. Does that mean DTG have gain licences to Desiro Trains now? (or already with the 700?)
If it wasn’t mentioned in the article it means no. That’s generally how it works. Which is a shame because those TSW2 routes really don’t hold up well at all compared to the new routes.
I hope you're wrong. I think it's a big mistake not to do it. As others have said, Cathcart is one of the worst offenders with being way too dark.
I obviously understand that some people (including someone in particular who loves 380s!) will find this to be a great thing to have, but if I am honest, who in the name of bloody hell thought that this would be a good idea as a standalone 'loco' dlc? It boggles my mind that someone would look at all the routes and what traction is missing from them and decide that the 380 is what would be made. The rarity of 'loco' dlcs, once perhaps twice a year, and we are getting another sodding electric, commuter, modern, letterbox, EMU! Like I have said I have nothing against the 380 and I would have been content if it were coming with a route, but by its bloody self: barmy!
Isnt there another unrevealed dtg uk route in the same 4 - 6 months category? Maybe it will be like the Acela
I think that's fair and I completely agree. But just note I have been asking for the class 380 for almost two years now and I'm very happy it's finally arrived. I just hope it's good quality.
Erm. I think people would get very angry if the only English route is goblin line. I'd love that but there are already enough comments going around about "Scottish Sim World" sadly. Nice idea though but I think we'll have to wait a bit longer for a proper 380 route.
I hope ccl gets redone for this because some of the scenery is quite frankly appalling (compared to today's standards).
Well, the fact that it's pretty dirty at the low belt already gives me hope. It reminds me the first TSW releases, where the dirt was excellent! I love these details, rather than aseptic EMUs that look like they just left the factory.
Today's Cathcart news feels tailor-made for me, I'm very excited to see my favourite home route getting a few new tweaks with this loco dlc! The fact it's a loco currently exclusively made for GCC does give me a bit of hope there's interest from the devs in updating the route further. Glasgow Central having more life added to it is already very welcome news alone but the route would definitely benefit from TOD4 and some scenery updates, especially the immediate area outside Central.
Well the last DTG route wasnt Scottish and there are still Just Trains and Alan Thompson and the TSW5/summer pack UK route, plenty of opportunities. Plus having a loco dlc just for Cathcart seems really weird considering how old it is. It just doesn't make sense to me at all
Thanks for vocalising my thoughts better than I did. I think it would have been much better for the game as a whole if this was a Class 56, or a 60 or yes, a 91. I'm glad people are happy, but I still find it so bizarre that they thought Cathcart out of all the routes in the game needed additional stock. They have to be planning to make the Ayr line or similar at some point. But another Scottish route so soon after Fife Circle? At least give Wales or Ireland some love first!
We need an Irish route but the problems i think are licensing, Northern Ireland would be ideal, especially the Derry to Ballymena section of the NIR route.
Hypothesis: The 380 may be in preparation for a separate route. Kinda like what they did with the DB 110 and BRO, get the 110 in on a small route so they can use it for a bigger one (Linke Rheinstrecke). This could also be the plan for 710.
See I want to think like that but DTG also released the 700 which we all thought similarly about and all we got for that was a tiny layer on ECML. But hopefully they've learnt their lesson?
Great! So not only is the next 'loco' dlc a modern, electric, commuter focused thing, but the next route will be too! This roadmap has summed up my day really!
Actaully does "new route" itself come with a new train? or it doesnt include one with a route itself?
The 380 will certainly be reused, on a route more suited to it. Three possible lines come to my mind: - Ayrshire Coast - Inverclyde - Shotts Maybe, if not from DTG, then from Rivet (Sorry TSW Nathan I'm so bad, I know ).
New routes for the most part come with at least 1 brand new train. Rest are recycled or layers. Last time 2 new trains was created was niddertalbahn although the 365 looked mostly the same as the 363.
They should also do a 365. Imagine how awesome that would be!! Scotrail had a few while the 385s were being introduced.
I'd pay to hear that DTG Alex could be the accompanying beatboxer DTG JD could do a gangsta rap over the top "This is Train Sim World comin' at'cha Wheels on tracks going clatter clatter Ridin' Bakerloo in my SD40 Oops its too big, need something shorty"
I personally like they push to get the scotrail fleet together. Even better, older routes get a timetable update. Cant share the comments which questions the decision. For me its very positive DTG starts to use new paths / the high variety of rolling stock in the existing routes (which was growing a lot now). Just releasing dlcs in the same pattern was a major critic point of me, also it ended up in many very empty main stations. So finally DTG is doing something to make a use of their efforts past years. The yesterdays roadmap i watched in full lenght, this didnt happen a long time. At least i hope rivet can keep up with all that, since they basicly just do their overhaul because the dlc reactions, instead of their own passion and spirit. Especially the many flaws in detail light up big alarm bells on my side. A missing airport should not end up as a topic on a released "aproved" route. The fact Rivet took this kind of feedback as insult, nailed my point of purchaising as a customer. And even if there would be a big fife circle update similar to slyhooks mml, i keep asking my self why are they shooting them self in their own foot over and over.
I noticed they have these new accessibility decals on the Class 380, these were added recently so it does mess with the continuity a bit, but I don’t care. It would be nice if the Class 170 and Class 385 could get these new decals too. +this too
I find it odd that they are releasing a new train on such an old route, which does suggest it might be used on a future route. Hopefully not the next DTG route as it would be nice to have a non Scottish route next. Cathcart is one of my favourite routes and it would be nice to have a different train to drive on it. However if there isn't a change to the new lighting then I can't see me purchasing the 380 at full price. I assumed that any new DLC or timetable upgrades to pre TSW3 routes would see them upgraded, not that I expected to see anything new for Cathcart.
Thought I'd throw in some images from the TSC version, actually one of its oldest DLC (2011). Note there's actually planes taking off from Glasgow Airport (and you do hear the jet sounds)
