Also interesting to see that the airplanes in TSC seem to be of an upper quality/LOD in comparison to ones used in TSW. The airplanes for TSC seem to have a more detailed livery, do not miss the vertical floss at the end of the wings and overall seem to be bigger and better shaped like a real airplane than its TSW counterpart:
In Trainz there's these absolutely ancient airport assets that have been in the game since TRS2004. Not particularly good looking assets, especially these days, but as a kid I remember loving the damn things due to it having animated planes that took off and land. The idea that I could place a airport with animated planes on my stupid routes I made when I was in single digits, but that TSW developers somehow can't is ludicrous.
Oh, Alex just answered in the Q&A that there are no plans to upgrade GCC to current standards... Bad but not great! So DTG's new UK route cannot be GCC...
Seems ridiculous releasing a shiny new train on such an old route without upgrading it. It's lighting in my opinion is very much it's weak point.
Absolutely ridiculous that Cathcart won't be getting TOD4, at least that appears to be the case based on Alex's vague wording..
They'll have one of their employees do it in their free time. Alex also pointed out that some routes have been targeted for similar treatment to WSR. Shall we bet that GCC is one of those?
Which would mean you'll only have correct head / saloon lights in either Cathcart or Fife/EG. Can't make it compatible to both... I fail to believe they are developing a new model based on old ToD3 values. Just as I think the BR420 is waiting for a HMA ToDv4 update.
So, they built this train, to put on a very old, outdated route where said new train will look stupid? Whose idea was that?
I find that odd GCC isn't getting an upgrade especially as they are adding the 380 maybe they might do something in the future
Absolutely ludicrous. No joined up thinking whatsoever at TSW Towers. Given LIRR has got a makeover and extension to go with its new train, surely Cathcart should have been given the same treatment. Or the 380 should have been held back for a new route to the latest standards to show it off to its best extent. If I was wavering on the side of buying Mr One Handle, then I'm definitely not now.
Yeah. That’s a dealbreaker for me. Those TSW2 routes are rough to look at now. Especially when paying for a new loco.
Scotland is getting too much love whilst Wales is getting none… dusty dtg not paying attention to their community again
That's the beauty of the irony in this place lol, getting what people screamed for, just with a huge twist in the manner they get it. Dam them Pitchfork's are never going to get to retire at this rate.......
More traffic at Glasgow if they could give a stiff to actually update or extend the route, particularly as said ad nauseum the god awful lighting. And yes the 380 will give us another Scotrail EMU at Glasgow Central, simply subbing in for where we would see 314's. So still no Pendolinos, Voyagers, Class 156's and every other variety of train that can be seen at GLC.
I'm fine with the 380 but I'll only pick it up if Cathcart gets updated and preferably extended, with my preference being to Barrhead for maximum variety. There are several other reasonable options too. (Also, I don't really understand how they'd launch a ToD4 loco onto a ToD3 route without always blinding everyone.) If it's being left as-is, sorry but that's a hard no from me. Same as the SKA timetable, I'm not really going to be touching anything pre-ToD4 at this point.
Did they want more steam? I’m sure some people wanted it. But from my experience on here I don’t see much interest in it.
I don't know where you have been looking on here then! I certainly reckon that a larger proportion of the player base would be up for more accurately created steam locos. I mean look how well Scotsman has done, even considering the appalling physics it got. Anyhow, I think we should curb that discussion here or take it to the SoS abandonment thread.
“Q: What year will the new Cathcart Circle timetable be set in? We'll share more news on the Class 380, including the Cathcart timetable, closer to the release of the add-on. To keep expectations set, there currently aren't any plans to update Cathcart Circle route features alongside the Class 380.”
I mean they could extend the route, but they’ll probably charge us full price for the upgraded version. I hope this isn’t the new business model for DTG going forward. The community have been crying out for extensions on routes, and now DTG have finally listened… just make sure you have your wallet handy. Having to pay full price for routes we already own is a real kick in the jimmys.
So, let me get this straight. Apart from adding a new one- handled emu with a prison- cell windshield, Cathcart will be unchanged, meaning the nights will continue to be completely pitch black so that no passengers with any sense will venture on to the stations and players like me will not drive the route after sunset. Another fairly decent route abandoned.
Yep. Little wonder I'm finding myself drawn more and more back into TSC (with apologies to the poor folk having to play on consoles).
It does seem quite unusual that this brand-new loco is currently specifically made for a route now two iterations out of date. I'd have understood far more if it was intended for one of the other Scotland routes and it just happened to be layering onto GCC as an added bonus. In reality the reverse seems to be the case and layering onto other routes isn't even fully confirmed yet apparently. I'm personally happy enough with GCC, it's my favourite route and I regularly play it, but if they're going to put it back in the spotlight via a new addon I think it'd have been worth looking at enhancing the route. A remaster could do a lot of good for the route.
Okay I have a question: what would be a good new route to make to exclusively feature the 380 instead of as an add-on
But they could have made a new route that goes from Glasgow Central… Also we don’t even know the UK route that DTG is working on yet so it could still be a possibility. Maybe just not ready to show it off at this stage.
Ok - speculation warning, but I think there's some logic behind what I'm about to say. 1) The 380 is definitely a loco pack and not included as part of a route. This has now been confirmed by multiple people. 2) I don't believe DTG would make the 380 exclusively for Cathcart Circle, which is now a very old route and outdated in many ways - therefore I believe there will be a new route to make more use of it coming soon to drive sales of the loco DLC Ergo, I'm now looking for a route that could have a 380 layer but still be feasible without it as a base layer. Our candidates are surprisingly few: 1) Inverclyde Line - uses 318/320/380/385, could include the 318 or 320 as the base unit with the 380/385 subbing on (and also perhaps the 314, depending on setting) 2) Expanded Cathcart Circle (in the same manner as LIRR2) - possibly towards Barrhead (which is where the 380 would come into play) and including the SR 156 as the new loco to both Barrhead and along the East Kilbride branch line (non-electrified). Paisley Canal Line would also be plausible as part of this given a third of it already exists within the route. 3) Glasgow South Western Line - as above with SR 156 but extended out to Kilmarnock / Ayr as a separate route Every other line either isn't served by 380s (Argyle Line for instance) or would require them as a base layer (Ayrshire Coast - don't think there are enough 156 services to sustain a realistic DLC by themselves). My gut feeling is Glasgow South Western Line might be the UK route on the roadmap if I had to pick but any of the above are plausible.
Well, Ayrshire Coast features the 380 on the main Glasgow-Ayr line, with 2 trains from Glasgow to Kilwinning and 2 to Ayr per hour. In addition to these there's one train per hour to Largs (using the 156, as the line is not electrified on the branch and single track served after Saltcoats).
That's why I don't think the Ayrshire Coast line is likely. Given the 380 won't be included as a base layer (as it has been made very clear it is a loco DLC), it wouldn't have enough services with the 156 alone to stand as its own route DLC - it would be almost entirely empty.
Um. As a local let me say it is electrified on the branch and I believe it's a mix of single and double track down to Largs but class 380's operate there all the time and have done for quite some time now.
Ayrshire Coast Line looks to have a decent length (not counting the Ardrossan and Largs branches although no reason to exclude them) Only because its one of the few areas that (Ayr and Ardrossan Harbour) I've actually visited in real life.
I think you might be onto something. There are rumours of a class 321/320 and 156 in development if I recall.
Absolutely wishful thinking but it would mean if the ECML between Edinburgh & Newcastle was to come that the 380 & 385 are both there to run the North Berwick commuter line services.
Those rumours are complete BS with no actual proof or evidence. Just forum posters posting lies again. It was also rumored to be the next rivet route which turned out completely false as expected
My only thoughts with this kind of thinking are we all thought DTG were onto something similar with the 700 and all of the layers into an ECML South before TSW4 and that ended up only layering into a small end section of ECML in the end. Have DTG finally learnt their lesson with layering current stock onto new routes? But then the documented issue with the new Austrian route and lack of correct coaching stock does make me wonder?
I haven’t seen the 321/320, so won’t comment, but there was indeed an image of a 156 leaked. Of course it could be fake but it’s more than just someone randomly saying it’s coming.
You got the source? cause with all the rumors ive nevers een an image. just someone SAYING they saw an image of a 156 with 'coming soon" on the pis which would not make sense at all
