Db Br 420

This has probably been asked a couple of times but is the DB BR 420 ever going to be released cause it has been on the roadmap for ages and there hasn't been any news in months.

 

Next kid who asks "Are we there yet?" can get out and walk.

 

DB BR 420 is developed by TSG, which is a small team and combines it with other projects and work for DTG. Add to that the fact that this is the TSW developer that takes the most care with their products and has an incredible attention to detail, giving their creations a very high quality, and it is understandable that it will take quite some time to get it ready. G6 was launched in December so I wouldn't count on it any time soon. Hopefully we might be able to enjoy it this year.

 

Don't forget that this one is developed by a 3rd party with only 2 people on a single project. It needs way more time than maybe a DTG release where 20 people sit on developing it.

And yes, it will appear sometime this year. And as a proof that it really exists (there might be users that don't trust me and what i say), a image of it (work in progress for sure).

 

Im really looking forward to this and you just know it will be worth the wait.

I take it Munich going to be the home route for this from the image.

 

It looks stunning, can wait until 2023 if it's the same quality as G6.

 

Seems to be getting on quite nicely based on the screenshot. Looking forward to it

 

Appreciate the update.

Though the 232 even more eagerly awaited.

 

And this is one serious teaser Can't wait

 

I Love This Emu Ty TSG And i Make a S-Bahn Köln Repaint For The Creators Club if it comes Out

 

Wow! It already looks as beautiful as expected! Keep up the good work, it's appreciated. This and the 232 will be epic

 

Serisouly dude. A person asks a simple question and that's how you respond? SMH

 

It´s prolly my medication, but why is everyone so giddy to get just another BR 422/423/425 - ..ish red german electric cracker box? If there was a BR 421 or BR 424 would we want it eagerly as well?

Sorry, I don´t get it.

German routes are crying for Diesels: V200 - V180 - BR 218 - BR 232 etc.

OK, coming from TSG, should be grand quality, I give you that.

 

Maybe if you would do a tiny little bit of effort you would realize that the BR420 is nothing like the BR422/423/424/425. It is much older, it is like saying a Class 313 is the same as all the Electrostars (e.g. Class 375). While I agree that some more Diesel would be important, this is quite an iconic train and nothing like the things we have so far.

PS: You can read more about the BR420 here for example.

 

I'm usually not interested in german trains, but this does havemy interest. It's really retro looking. Might even get the home route for it just to try it when it releases.

 

I´m willing to do "a tiny little bit of effort". In fact I already have (and still fail to see those huge differences this would bring to TSW.) From the very site about its successor:

"The Deutsche Bahn Class 423 EMU is a light-weight articulated electric railcar for S-Bahn commuter networks in Germany. The train has similar dimensions to its predecessor, the Class 420 EMU, but is significantly lighter and has one large passenger compartment, while that of the 420 is divided into three parts. The 423 additionally has six doors in each carriage (three on each side), which is down from eight on the 420 (four on each side). "

So, what result do we expect for its behavior in TSW? Slower acceleration, more sluggish braking, longer stops to compensate for the missing doors, not so tight timetables, missing automation? How will this supposedly completely different vehicle ("the BR420 is nothing like the BR422/423/424/425.") operate in TSW to justify the undoubtly high expectations of the TSW community here?

Don´t get me wrong - de gustibus non disputandum est - but I still fail to figure out the excitement.

 

It's not as different as a Class 08 vs a TGV, but there are more differences between the BR420 and other modern EMUs compared to the differences between the BR423, 425 and 422.

Maik Goltz or anyone else feel free to correct me if I'm wrong


Firstly the cab is quite a lot different from newer EMUs, this would help a lot with the feeling of driving a different train. To be fair the BR422 is a little different as well compared to the 423/425 but the BR420 has a completely different layout.

From a driver's perspective the biggest difference (as far as I can tell from cab rides) is that the throttle/lever brake ONLY uses the dynamic brake, so it will require you to use the air brake manually (lever on the right), this is unique to the BR420, as with other EMUs the air brakes will be applied automatically below a certain speed.

As I said, it's not quite as much as a difference between (for example) the M7 and the M3, but out of all thr S-Bahn modern stock is as unique as it gets without getting a BR111 and N-wagen stock.

You can see the use of the air brakes in videos like this


Big part of the excitement is that this is a TSG add-on, so it will be great from a physics, systems and sounds perspective.

 

Yeah and at least one of them is in production. So what's your point? If you don't like the 420, don't buy it. But there is no reason to talk it down at this stage.

 

Pipe, in addition to what has already been said, it’s probably also highly anticipated since it’s only the second West German vintage piece of rolling stock after the Br 363. At least that’s why I’m really looking forward to it (apart from it being a TSG product) depsite not being into commuter traffic at all.

Also, don’t be fooled by the classification numbers. A Br 140 would be yet another of the 140s despite it being completely different to a 146 or 143 just like a Br 181 is completely different to a Br 182 or 185.

 

I'm looking forward to this one out of pure nostalgia- I remember when the very first ones entered service on the brand-new München S-Bahn, built for the 1972 Olympics. And they weren't dowdy dark green or dingy unpainted stainless! They were white with bright blue window bands! (Stuttgart's were even more cheerful, with orange window bands)

 

Keep in mind that it would be the modernized version if I remember correctly

 

Well, yes. It would be anachronistic to run them on HMA in their original fit!

(In actual fact, the refurbs all came from Stuttgart; the original Munich set were scrapped)

 

I travelled on one of these in the early 80's around Dusseldorf and quite different from what I have seen of the current plastic electro karts in TSW. The TS version was very good including an excellent traction motor sound, akin to a 1960's era BR AC EMU (like the Class 310). So this is one DLC I probably will buy in the weeks and months ahead (along with Scouse Steam).

 

Oh i thought the db br 420 is just an older piece of emu plastic

 

The BR420 may be the predecessor in terms of S-Bahn services but definitely not in a technical sight. They have basically nothing in common except that they have wheels and doors and being painted in red nowadays.

 

To begin with, it's a tap-changer - no thyristors or computer controls in 1971! (The tap changes are "hidden" within the control lever, but it's electronically essentially the same as a control-wheel loco).

 

Eh, nope. It's a Thyristor controlled system.

 

In 1971? Really? I thought the 120 was the first.

 

Yes, really. It is maybe not the same as on the BR143, but it is not a mechanical tap changer, it's not even any tap changer thing.


And the BR120 is not a Thyristor controlled loco. It was the first AC loco with 3-phase async motors build in a series.

 

I think the Br 181 (prototype in 1966, series production in 1974/75) was the first German loco built in series with Thyristor control.

 

OK, with (most of) the answers, it becomes clearer where the excitement originates. Thanks a lot!

 

This looks stunning. I'm looking forward to this since the announcement, and judging by the visuals of the screenshot alone, it will be worth the wait.

 

I'm sooo looking forward to this. I used to ride a 420 as passenger daily (S-Bahn Rhein-Main, S8, S1 & S2) and only have good, nostalgic memories. It's incredible LOUD inside when the windows are open (no AC), the nice green interiour color, the bumpy old-fashioned but comfortable seats, the possibility to open the doors already while the train is still moving (slowly) ...

 

The BR 421 is the middle wagon of the BR 420 - The BR 424 is just basically another 425 only with a small different config.
The BR 420 is all different from the 42x trains, as the original plans of that train go back to 1969

 

I would hope that, in addition to HMA, it will also be subsitutable on RRO, since they also were in service on that route - also, refurbished units with LZB and air-conditioning were returned to HMA in 2014 - not sure if still in use. Creators club might be the answer for the Blue/White and Orange/White liveries.

 

420s are running in Munich as we speak. But not anywhere else; they were withdrawn from VVRR service in 2014.

 

I'm like 98% sure some of them Still are in use in Düsseldorf and in Köln.

 

You're right:

However, only München is running the upgraded models.

 

Munich got 420s from Stuttgart in 2014. Those units only got small adjustments when they first came to Munich. Beginning 2018, the S-Bahn started upgrading all their 420s to feature PIS boards inside, improved pis boards outside and LZB equipment.

 

Correct and also turning the HMA DB BR420 version into the Rhein-Main Version but without the roll sign.

 

Looking good. I guess that means the Ludmilla won't come this year yet? And if you don't mind me asking, did the G6 meet your expectations in sales?

 

Hopefully this one lands soon on Frankfurt-Fulda route in TSW5!

 

Well, we'll see...ok, just me speculating, at some point in time, TSG remarked, that somehow, they can't place the 420 on HMA (by the way, might not be uninteresting to do a HMA remaster, could be interesting with quite a couple of vehicles in game, right now, that do also appear on it...), but have their 'own solution' (me, too lazy to search and quote it...). Actually, with the basic information, that TSG is right now working on their own new route..., well, for some reason, can't fight the idea, that maybe, this might be a route, where the 420 might 'roll on'. I mean, developing a vehicle, just to give up releasing it, after, well, investing quite a lot time? Not sure, but just an idea of me...

 

Here you go: Niddertalbahn layers

420 confirmed for LFR and layering onto NID

 

Do 420s run on LFR in IRL though?

 

Tried to have a look what Lines they were used. Pretty sure they ran to Mainz (from Frankfurt Direction) but unsure if they ran further on the LfR line.

 

The 420 layer for NID is no secret. Joe actually talked about it, saying he wanted to put it in but I'm not sure how that went.
Apparently, it's there

 

It would be good to have another train to drive on LFR. The 420 has been much anticipated for a long time and I can't wait for it's release.

I still hope we get a suitable freight loco for LFR too.

 

Could only find Mainz -Wiesbaden...so,



seems like only an AI appearance....

 

POV:
The year is 2061. The DB BR 420 has been on the roadmap for 50 years and as a result of it not releasing, the world has devolved into chaos. People fight each other, with some fighting for the release of the DB BR 420 and others fighting for it to stay unreleased.