Do You Want Tsw 5?

Very true, aside from the odd release such as by JT we are being fed a diet of dull gruel that is basically all modern one handled emu’/dmu’s that are basically all the same. What is the point of having detailed driving characteristics if they all have the same physics more or less? Or maybe that’s the idea - ease and cheapness of production!

 

so you also need 2 cables... which I have... but I just googled, and it costs around 100 euros... thats kind of too much atm

 

One thing I’m currently doing at present is an alphabetical playthrough of my TSC routes, taking the first unplayed scenario on each route at the top of the list. Only just on the “Bs” and the variety so far has been superb. Even Rivet’s Swiss routes in TSC are so much better!

 

Very true, TS has a soul whereby you get the impression that the game is done by rail enthusiasts for rail enthusiasts, sadly with TSW I get the feeling it’s primarily about making money and giving us the bare minimum they can get away with.
You get so much more bang for your buck in TS. I enjoy the retro routes and the longer current routes around the world, and especially the US freight where you can drive a full run between points of significance. I think TSW’s ECML route sums up this game; no termini of real importance, even though extending it to York would have been so easy.
I get the impression here the devs here are held back by upper management to meet sales targets.

 

100% agree with this, but it's not just BR Blue either.

DTG did a poor job on steam traction, and they've binned it on the basis of "steam doesn't sell" rather than being honest and saying "our product didn't reach expected standards, we'll vow to do better going forward" - there's a third party steam market on TS Classic that proves them wrong. DTG need to put in the time and work, if they're to attract those steam developers to TSW.

They seem to be fixed on destroying whatever variety they had in their game, making it stagnate as a result.

The 380 is very much an unremarkable release, it's nothing different to whatever else DTG has released for the UK during TSW4. One handle, sounds similar to the 700, but it's in the Scotrail livery but they all still go "ooooooo, aaaaaaaah" on the promotional streams... The 380 would've been more hyped if there had been some steam or diesel content released between Goblin and the 380. People would've been given the chance to miss modern content, which adds to the anticipation until the next one is announced.

Maybe Blackpool's success might hopefully reopen DTG's eyes to BR era content. Then we can get some more engaging content from them! I'm really happy that JT are remaining in the BR era for their next release, long may it continue!

 

theirs no way around that regardless of TSW5 or Rush hour style packs etc, the re download is the only difference, any memory number changes for TSW are related purely to the dlcs and their sizes you choose to own

gone are the days you put the disk in on obtainment and off you go

 

The catalog in tsc is also enormous. It's difficult to fix everything

 

This is the bottom line. I don't feel like I got anything worthwhile out of the TSW4 " upgrade " because most of what was promised wasn't delivered in working order.

I expect the same experience with TSW5, but, if I want any future routes, I'll probably have to buy it.

However, this time I will choose the cheapest option available rather than the " deluxe " version.

 

These days even a 1 TB hd fills up so quickly it’s crazy. Worse part with TSW is you have to have the previous version installed to keep your progress ( I found that out the hard way), so I will end up having to temporarily delete other big games first. Pain in the bum.

 

You only need the savegame, not the game installed.

 

Where do I find the save game?

 

In Windows it's in My Documents/My Games/TrainSimWorld4/Saved/SaveGames and the file (I think) is TSWSaveGame_ then your user name.

 

Thanks I’ll make a note.

 

How about focusing on fixing the core game? Tsw5 will just be a rebadged tsw4 with a few new features and the same if not more bugs.

 

locobilly Just keep the whole TrainSimWorld4 folder, not just a single file.

 

These polls most of the time are quite biased usually to the OP's own opinions. So I dont bother voting in them. However each to their own. Personally I don't care what the next iteration of the game is called. As long as there is new routes, new content and I enjoy it then that's good enough for me.

My POV if you don't want to invest in a TSW 5 or what ever the next version is called then don't simple. Stick with TSW 3 or TSW 4 until YOU are ready to invest in the new version. It was exactly the same as last year, it will be exactly the same as next year. It won't change.
My personal opinions of TSW4 is that I have enjoyed what I have used in TSW4. Although I have not really enjoyed two of the routes. Voralberg and Antelope Valley. Unfortunately, because of everything that has gone on in my life over the past 10 months, my enjoyment of TSW 4 has been rather limited. I have not touched livery designer or scenario creator. Although i play free roam and consist creator a fair bit. Hopefully, it may change in the future and I look forward to what the next TSW holds.

 

TSW is becoming an annual release every year now. Just like FIFA, very little is added to core game, just some minor updates. They then pass it off as a new game. I respect that EA, just like DTG and they need to do this to survive as a business. What better way to gain traction for DTG to launch a new game and attract more players. Not ideal for the players who only buy a single country route native to their own country, but other players like myself who enjoy all country routes get more satisfaction from a new release.

 

I think the way it worked out last time was you can uninstall routes/trains without issue but leave the previous core part in place until the new one is set up, nothing is tied to the routes or locos just the core.

 

That sounds like a way even I can’t foul up!

 

Yes, because I want to throw my money on the same stuff all over again and get two or three routes with same assets fo free.

 

Do you also think Apple needs to resort to borderline slavery while producing their phones and then charge an arm and leg for the phones to survive?

If so, that's not the case, but they had to do that to become the first trillion dollar company.

 

Between TSC and TSW they take up probably over 500Gb of drive space.

That's why I had to laugh when looking for a new gaming PC I went to one of the big box suppliers and a reasonable spec vs. price PC was being sold with just a single 1Tb hard drive. By the time you install Windows 11 and a few utility programmes lucky to have space for one game! And modern cases don't seem to have many drive bays, one of the reasons I'm thinking of overhauling my current PC so it can run Win 11 rather than buying a new one.

But even without having bought all the available DLC, TSW now up well over 200GB. Just ridiculous given it's not even cutting edge graphics. Time for triage is rapidly approaching with some of the routes I rarely or never play (such as Cane Creek, Sherman or even Cajon) culled along with their pak files to save space.

 

DTG aren’t a trillion dollar company and you can’t compare them to the likes of Apple.

 

Until the new TSW5 routes are shown, I can't say anything

 

Aren’t their phones manufactured in China to avoid higher employment salaries…

Aren’t they like one of the most expensive general phones around…

 

And you can't compare DTG to EA then...
Either way, that wasn't the point, at all. The point is, they don't HAVE to do it, but it massively benefits them...

 

Most phones are, to be fair. But Apples profit margins are insane, half goes straight to the their pockets.

 

you can get some phones for about a 8th-15th of the price of Apple new ones, and it usually isn’t long before there prices drop quite significantly for older models.

 

But I’m going to buy TSW5 if it’s a thing, like I’ve done with previous additions. It’s the other people who are against new yearly products. The point I was making is that people on here don’t moan when they’re buying FIFA on a yearly basis, but because DTG do it with TSW all hell breaks loose. As you said “don’t want it, don’t buy it”. That doesn’t apply to me though. I want something, I buy it. Life’s too short.

 

I definitely don’t base my purchasing on this kinda topic purely on company without good reason, whilst I don’t play FIFA games I’m aware of how they are similar, in fact I remember years ago sort of joking thinking if I ever did play them I’d buy the £1 2005 version I used to see in a game shop rather than fork out £60 because the odd player moved team and other one retired, basically what I’m saying is I would miss editions out and wait for a more meaningful update in such cases. Also if I was more involved with them franchises like TSW’s then I probably would notice more on how the business practices could be changed for better improvement along the same lines.

 

...and how do you know this? Can you provide some evidence of this being the case?
Last time I checked, EA is on of the most, if not the most disliked game company there is, the very fact that EA and their games is compared to TSW rather than SCS and ETS2 (which makes simulator games around vehicles and is therefore more comparable unlike FIFA) is beyond hilarious to me. No, the reason you can't is because SCS does not engage in these business practices and is indeed a very respected company, nor is their forums a literal Battlefield.

 

If TSW5 means I get 3 routes for nearly the price of one: Yes, I want it.

 

If there is a TSW5 then yes I want it.

 

me too

 

I haven't any problem with TSW5 except for the unlikely name change, I'll prefer something like "TSW" (or TSC for the classic old but gold sim) and a little side annual title nearby, just to show in which year it's build...
My biggest problem is referred to all the bugs coming out with and the long solving time that DTG need to solve it.
It's pretty clear they need money and to do that, I think it's better to publish out a package with 3/4 routes instead a pack with 3/4 routes and a title change. At least I think it's always the same base game or I'm wrong?

 

I don't think the 380 is an "unremarkable relase". It is of remarkable ugliness in between remarkably dull one handled EMUs. So, there's at least one winner's podium for it. But alright: Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

The "BR Blue doesn't sell, the kiddos want one handled EMUs" narrative I've never been able to buy. Only a shortsighted marketing department can come up with this. By forgetting completely that the target public for BR era DLCs are the older semestres like me, which - in general - detain more acquisitive power than the kids that have to fight for every penny discount (including here on the forums).

 

The simple point is that EA have to release a new FIFA game every year to catch up with promotion, relegation and transfers, whereas DTG definitely do not, besides they can do it the way of many devs, including themselves with TS, and offer free core updates but rely on the sales of dlc, which is not cheap by any standards, in fact the cost of most complete games.

 

I’m sure there are plenty of people on this forum who play FIFA as much as TSW, you don’t need proof for that. Might as well ask everyone else on here do they prefer white or brown bread also lol.
I can’t comment on other train sims, as I have no knowledge on them and don’t play them, so I’ll have to take your word on that. You’ll be naive to think that these other train sim companies won’t change their business model eventually with the way the economy/cost of living keeps getting more expensive.
You’re comparing a sim (ETS2) that has nearly 30k players in the past 30 days vs TSW4 that has roughly 900 players. The devs for ETS2 can afford to give out these free updates. If TSW had those sort of numbers I guess they’d do the same and we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

The problem with that is DTG doesn’t make enough profit on dlc. People on here clearly like to express how much they’d rather wait for a sale than to buy dlc at full price. TSW don’t have the player base, unlike ETC2 who can offer free updates. A new release draws in new players and gives traction and more publicity to the franchise. Already said this in a previous comment.

 

Quite possibly, but how many of them buy the latest version of FIFA and are then faced with an long boring wait whilst they have to download ALL their previous DLC yet again? Worse still doing this whilst knowing that next year when DTG add a new number to their title they will have to go through the whole boring waste of time again for what in reality is very little change or improvements and mostly likely a slight drop in performance as the coders struggle with the unwieldy spaghetti code to thread in small and unnecessary changes in a cynical attempt to create the illusion of a new product.

Why does that happen? Because the product they put out is below par and many consider it to not be worth the full asking price and refuse to pay it. Market forces at work here. If DTG put out a product that shone brightly like ETS2 and Snowrunner then people would pay the full price and still praise the product because it is high quality, well made and as such worth the money. TSW doesn't fill any of those tick boxes,

Poor quality and bugs are the reason the DTG has an awful reputation. DLC is often released in a state where it is not fit for purpose and if fixes are ever produced it usually takes several months and in some cases years during which time customer satisfaction plummets.

As if that was not enough they now use the ludicrous yearly title release where the long suffering customer is forced to pay out for the same game with tiny mostly unwanted "new features" but with most of the previous versions bugs STILL in place. To add insult to injury those unwanted new features eats into performance adding further to the already woeful judders and stuttering that ruins any immersive experience.

Increasingly customers refuse to buy the new yearly edition and DTG's cash base suffers even further as these disgruntled ex buyers will also never buy any of the newer DLCs at any price however low because they cannot run them. Of course it is the decision of the executive team at DTG to dictate how they operate but it is the right of customers to respond to them and increasingly that is to stick two fingers up at the whole franchise and walk away in disgust and happy to never again spend money on the latest TSW title or any of the many DLCs that the company desperately need to flog.

Low quality products and poor performance are what DTG/TSW is known for and why sales are not as high as comparable (higher quality and all round better) games. The yearly title change cash snatch is the only way DTG can keep the franchise going and as long as there is enough gullible people out there willing to prop it up then they will continue to so.

Being honest I quite admire the sheer audacity of DTG strutting around like wide boy spivs and getting away with it for so long though I suspect a time of reckoning is fast approaching.

 

Well, this is actually the market that DTG perceives and they have told us so. Otherwise why would they keep pumping out these 3XX emus to the exclusion of older stock?

And the " kids " you refer to have far more money these days than they used to have. When did you last see a teenager without an I- phone?

 

so that's it, I'm already convinced that tsw5 will be a "new" game and that we will have to download all the dlcs again since the tsw franchise is an annual release and there is a charge so there is no possibility of it coming as an upgrade to tsw4

 

Do I want TSW5? Not bothered either way.
Do I want three new routes at a discount? Yes, if the offering is right.
Do I want to read 90 posts on the subject? No thanks.

 

Nobody is forcing you to read these posts.

 

Hi dxltagxmma,
I hope you are having a great day, thanks for taking time to comment on my post.
I'm well aware that nobody is forcing me to read these posts so I didn't. A quick skim through did suggest that the same old arguments for and against TSW5 were getting another airing. Hence my post to offer my thoughts and point out that I hadn't followed the conversation.

 

Not really an option that suits me in the poll so here’s my view.

To echo an above conversation, the variety in TSW is dead, every release that comes for each country is the same sort of content said country had in its last release.

Anything new seems to be roughly done & with a weird scope, really painful oversights, increases in price & limited gameplay.

The only benefits I ever seem to see with new TSW versions are that you get a bundle of routes for a very good price, when you compare them to standard DLC releases.

Everything else you’re supposed to get with the new title doesn’t come until a couple of months before the next one is announced. I think TSW5 will be the worst example of that yet. DTG has spent the past year trying to shoehorn suspension into TSW4, so we now either face the reality that DTG has been putting more effort into a TSW5 & brushing 4 aside, or we’re going to be sold a new product that won’t have it’s advertised features available until 6 gets announced.

Ultimately my main concern is what happens next, DTG have been streamlining their cashflow at every avenue which is why we now get content with little filling, title releases without their features, silly mistakes from a lack of QA, yearly releases, price increases, no content variety and sold & bought projects being dropped.

Im all for DTG increasing their turnover, but we need quality, meaningful content with actual variety in there.

 

One thing I'd like a newer version to bring would be random events such as the AI driver in front being a bit slow occasionally or breaking down so you get some variation even if you drive the same service over and over.

 

Totally agree with this, I am at a point right now after the past couple of years, where I couldn't give a rats rear end what the name of the game is or whatever, and my decision as to whether I buy or not will be on the supposed features and routes, rather than voting with my wallet or other bullocks like that. I will likely end up buying it anyway as I have a deep suspicion JT's route will be after the release of this iteration.

What do you mean? That is the most enjoyable part, some of the theories people make up at this time of year are brilliant!

 

I don’t really want it because TSW4 features are still missing and I know TSW5 features will be missing as well… but if they drop routes that I really really want, I’ll have to make the “upgrade.” Preferably on a sale.

 

On the subject of every year releases and not.

I do find it a bit off how you get big game names such as COD, FIFA, GTA and Fallout etc.

2 of those you get a release nearly or exactly every year, 2 you don’t, 2 has quite a lot of similarities to the previous year and 2 have a lot of changes made. Yet all 4 aim at the same price tag.

I think I know where the value lies more for me at least.

 

Its worth mentioning that COD cycles developers every few years, so its not like each game is a 1 year dev cycle, its like 3 dev cycles designed to release every year under the same franchise title. or it used to be between Treyarch, Infinity Ward, and Sledgehammer games.