Dovetail Direct Reaction / Tsw4 Thread

Pacific Surfliner would be such a great route in TSW, a nice variety of services and great scenic variety.

Another route that illustrates your point is the Oakville Sub…really incomprehensible how that route doesn’t go all the way into Toronto and doesn’t feature GO/VIA trains given that they are the vast majority of the traffic on the line operating in a variety of service patterns. Such a missed opportunity…maybe Metrolinx/ GO Transit were just too difficult to deal with.

 

Yea, go and viarail are known to not allow licensing deals. It's like that with a lot of us operators. That is why we still don't have iconic operators like metra or cta

 

It's entirely comprehensible: Via Rail refused to license their branding.

 

True, but then why make that Oakville sub instead of a different CN route where the absence of Via wouldn't be an issue? These are the DTG decisions that are strange to me

 

They could have made Oakville when CN and CP still operated their own passenger services!

 

Can you do an ecml one then?

 

The UK route hasn’t had any leaks yet. It might not be ECML.

 

Yes fresh speculation is that it might be Settle and Carlisle, or as I pondered last night Newcastle to Carlisle which also frequently hosts steam specials. Newcastle giving a very tenuous ECML connection…

 

Yea doesn't look that way. Just going by them choosing the Antelope line and not the orange county line which would have the Amtrak surfliner. It always comes down to time and money. What's the easiest faster route to make.

 

But doing the Surfliner and/or Orange County line would require multiple new pieces of rolling stock to be made from scratch.

If we were to get the Surfliner in the future (I sure hope we do) then by doing it this way dtg would only need to model the Surfliner stock and we'd already have Los Angeles Station fully modeled making the route easier from a scenery perspective too.

 

On a side note, would thr Antelope Line even have any loco DLCs? Unless they do like the F59phs or something, there really isn't anything there.

 

Would had required one more asset which is Amtrak. the orange county line is the Metrolink which we are getting with the Antelope valley line.

 

What I don't get with these license issues is why they don't fake missing brands. Yes, authenticity, I know. But creators club shows it's not all about authenticity.

 

Maybe DTG will release the F125 later as a loco DLC while the route is initially released with Mp36, bi-level coach and Hyundai Rotem coach (plus Cab Car)?

 

It would of required modeling a SC44 Charger and getting sounds for it, it would requiring modeling the Surfliner Cars, doing a research on each configuration, and modeling them, plus the cab car. Would of been too much to expect from DTG on top of modeling Metrolinks stock.

 

Yes I know but what I mean is if they did the Orange County line first, they'd have to model new stock for both Metrolink and Amtrak together which would be a lot of work.

This way if/when they do the Surfliner they'd only need to model the Amtrak stock and maybe Coaster too but that wouldn't be to difficult due to them using Sc-44 Chargers (same with Surfliner) and Bombardier Bi-levels (which we already have with the Mp36 dlc).

 

It's not really about authenticity. It's about relationships with companies, who's logos you fake. If you fake somebody's branding, you may as well wave goodbye to this company ever giving you a license on their stuff.
Just look at the whole Mercedes/Majestic debacle on ETS few years back. Developers have almost got sued for faking Mercedes branding, and it took a lot of effort to fix their relationships.

 

Assuming it is the Antelope Valley, or as I prefer to call it Soledad Canyon, hopefully the reasoning will be explained on Tuesday.

 

…not just with the companies whose logo you faked, I’d argue. Both for any future partners and existing ones, it would throw up a question: If DTG doesn’t respect the intellectual property of company xyz, then who’s to say they will respect ours? Imagine the mess this could potentially escalate to. DTG worked hard to get to where they are now in terms of relationships to different companies and railroads. Personally speaking, I’m glad that they’re avoiding risks as far as possible.

 

If it is mandatory payed update Im pretty sure that DTG will add some feature to the game to make it more appealing.

Just because the DLC update issue gives DTG a reason to want to make a new release doesnt mean they will not add any improvements or features in the release.

 

You don't have to fake the existing brands. Just make up a brand: for example DTG Rail. DTG Rail does passenger and freight services. And whenever you need to fill in some services you don't have the license for you use DTG Rail. You could even fake one for the UK and Germany. Look at it as a placeholder for future relations

 

Of course, whenever DTG or a partner release none branded trains like MARC and Metra in TSC, some bright spark immediately mods the logo for everyone to download. Not possible in TSW.

It's difficult to understand why some railroads will license and others just won't.
MBTA and MTA, NJT and Amtrak were apparently delighted to play TSW.

 

I'm hoping in the future SimRail starts getting some US content (there's already one US route in the works) and it causes DTG to up their game. Unfortunately, I don't expect much from DTG (and the opening of my wallet for TSW reflects that) but I continue to hold out hope.

 

Putting the logo in is definitely possible, at least on PC.

 

Searchlight simulations is making a freight route. But tsw and simrail aren't really the same game. Simrail is multiplayer. Tsw is not. There are also other differences between the 2

 

Issue would be players start complaining because it is a premium product and it's fake. The fake branded isle of wight 2022 version got a lot of criticism for not having swr branding even though that license still hasn't been obtained.

 

I'm still hoping it Eastleigh - Poole

Oh Wait.....

Hentis

 

If/When it is quite concrete that it's ECML (and I know which section it is), I will.
If it's ECMLS, expect a wait.

 

???

 

Sounds like those big black TSW holes in the East of England and Wales are remaining for another year.

After 6 years of TSW there's only been one route in the game (BML) that would have been on my Top 20 wishlist and I no longer bother with it because it's nothing but Electrostars and Microstutters and the timetable offers no realistic operating challenges. I can't keep pumping money into this underwhelming product in the hope that, as with TSC, I'll one day end up with something approaching an area's network with realistic driving shifts and a realistic roster of traction.

I also find it remarkable that DTG have avoided a lot of very popular UK TSC routes. WCML Over Shap, GEML, ECMLs, GWR anywhere between Reading and Cornwall, Liverpool - Manchester, Carlisle to Settle, Waterloo to Portsmouth, South and North Wales Coastal as just some examples and that's just the DTG TSC releases. This far into the project and the British Network remains really fragmented for such a tiny country.

 

I'm hoping the UK route is Eastleigh - Poole

Hentis

 

Ah! Cat's still in the bag eh.

 

That means SWML Eastleigh Poole and at a push 69 mi 27ch SWML Eastleigh Poole Weymouth. Trains 444 450 70 and 59 locomotives. DLC Class 73 442 4-REP

 

DTG already does this with US freight equipment with DTGX, which is kind of a stand in for real life railcar leasing company TTX (With exception to tank and covered cars, which is just a generic reporting mark)

 

Antelope Valley would be a complete shock to me as the real-life route is virtually in my backyard.

I've always wondered what the 5 would look like with less than 20 cars on it.

 

Probably how I-15 looks like in Cajon pass.

 

Let's hope they're not floating 10 feet above the roadway like they are in CJP

 

There is so much hype for the dovetail direct. So don't expect any news about Train Sim World 4 I suspect it won't release until 2024 so keep your comments positive and don't expect anything big. The news will be about Train Sim World 3 only. thank you for reading my comment kindness is appreciated and important. So dovetail would want the comment in this thread to be respectful and kind to one another!!!

 

Thread is golden, it’s a great mix of fever pitch anticipation for the 22nd (officially at a boiling point) and great information!

Better understanding the inner workings of the industry and all things involved makes me appreciate what the developers are up against. Hyped even more now for the 22nd! It’ll be 9am here in Massachusetts, the wife will be getting ready to go to work and I’ll be tuning in! I’ll be crossing fingers this releases on console same day as PC but keeping hope in check.

 

Trainsim World 4 will almost certainly be announced on Tuesday, for a release in September. Not sure where you're getting 2024 from, but that's not the case.

 

1. Please don't make your entire post bold and underlined - they are used for emphasis, not the way you've done it.
2. TSW4 is very much so coming this year, announcement inbound on Tuesday.

 

Whatever happened to freedom of font? Jk!

You should bet your avatar being changed to a baby bottle for a month if you’re wrong.
So many people think we are just getting another Rush Hour DLC and TSW3 dropped less than a year ago, as other users pointed out, they are on a 2 year cycle right now with TSW3 dropping Sept 2022 and TSW2 dropping Aug 2020.

Are you saying it’s TSW4 and not DLC due to any knowledge, or just a hunch? Is it hopeful anticipation and want that makes you think this, or is it jaded fan syndrome and you feel they are moving on from TSW3 too soon? I have so many questions!

 

People are saying it's TSW4, because there were images of two of the routes (Antelope and Vorarlberg) challenge unlocks labeled as TSW4 off of Dovetails Train Sim World Website.
Most people are actually thinking it's TSW4 due to this, especially when combined with the Epic Games database.

 

Ok then, thanks for answering that one! Hopefully the upgrade is significant as one year out from TSW3 seems like a bold move, not mad about it—most sports games and games like COD and Ass Creed come out every year, so why not this? As long as old routes are still supported I’m in.

 

As Fawx says, there's a bucketload of evidence to suggest it's TSW4.
Still an outside chance it's a rebrand of TSW3 but I highly, highly doubt that.

 

At this point I'd love it not to be TSW4 just because of how convinced everyone is that it is lol

 

Maybe TSW4 is using UE5 with 2 or 3 specific for UE5 made tracks. As this will probably be the best soulution for DTG to do, because I dont see them converting all older routes to UE5 just for free.

The reasoning behind this is: Why have a specific TSW4 tag. There is nothing that would justify a TSW update other then to drop old gen support, but why stay on a old UE4 version then.

Edit: And you could even use a loader to load into the UE5 versions from the main menu.

 

They will announce that they have achieved the highest traffic on their forum since they started. Everyone get's a free avatar. That's it, thanks for watching.

 

Yeah this makes sense, I don’t see updates or upgrades for free. Or even happening at all, just that they are still playable on the new game.

However, is a route getting updated unprecedented? How was Boston Sprinter handled for TSW3? I thought this DLC was an example of an older route getting an upgrade? On the product listing for the Boston DLC it says, “It’s a new dawn, it’s a new day…now featuring same volumetric clouds as TSW3…”

I was under the impression it launched without these weather features and it was upgraded? I may be way off on this—but I read on some random thread that DTG has never has upgraded a route, is this true?

Also, if it is a UE5 game, would the older routes (even if just original features only) be able to be supported? Man, this could get dicey! I got my popcorn ready for not just the announcement, but the fallout on this forum!

 

Money.