I see this more in the way of an experiment, raising the flag to see how many players salute. If it meets DTG and TSG's sales threshold we may see more such locos. If it doesn't, this dlc may end up as an outlier. It's not for me, not because I wouldn't like to see, say, an expert Gevo locomotive. It's simply that I don't buy much German content these days, I find the routes and locos rather " samey ". But I admire the effort and the element of risk- taking on the part of TSG that seems to escape the managers at DTG, who eschew anything like steam or freight or anything more complicated than a glorified go-kart. I wish them good sales for this dlc.
It's not really about nationality. People play TSW in many different ways and at £30 I don't honestly believe that anyone going to risk stepping outside of their own personal comfort zone regardless of where the train's country of origin happens to be. I'm sure £30 is good value to the top end train enthusiasts, but for the intermediates who may want to try it or the casuals who perhaps want to move up the skill ladder it's a completely out of reach figure anyway, so again, the train itself won't influence their decision not to buy.
I'd say the same about USA. All the freight locos look exactly the same to me and the routes look so boring. And we're both right and wrong at the same time. Because I (as German) don't have the feeling at all that the German locos and routes feel all the same. And you probably don't feel that way regarding US content. I'd absolutely never buy an US or UK expert DLC for that price. But a German one? Hell, yes. Tl;dr: it's at the end of the day very subjective based on personal preferences. There is no right or wrong.
Fair enough. And, as I said, I genuinely hope this loco sells well for TSG. Making it is to their credit.
I've got a feeling it might do quite well. I certainly hope so! I hope also that if a market exists, it will not only lead to more output, but also drive improvements within DTG and the core code as 3rd party companies apply their requirements to them and it.
So, what's the moral of the story? Xander, just try to practise what you preach yourself and relax a bit. All you've accomplished is probably to make that Youtuber getting more clicks now (which is all that matters). You did create two panic threads in the middle of the night with "breaking news" style title about some Youtuber upsetting you, demanding some kind of censorship in a way. Please think about that, don't try to mass answer each post. You'll become a second "australian real driver" else I fear.
Can you read or what? I have never open 2 threads on purpose.... There is a small issue in Forum software that had not the possibility to add the video in a proper way... So youre point makes no sense... So no panic what you call it... Little but dumb from you to act like this way
And publically asking for withdrawal of Ambassador entitlement because you can't handle a one-percenter is fair? You're just twisting things around permanently. You tried to create a shitstorm but that failed. Shameful, Xander. End of transmission.
Okay y'oure are the boss here to say this allowed to discuss or not? If you did not like this thread skip it I have never ask to remove them either.... I had only the question if this is a quality standard....
See? You think you're allowed to suppress Youtuber's opinions. Take a look in the mirror and think before answering.
All DTG ambassador's are basically salesmen. They are only there to push you to buy product being sold by DTG, and they get free Steam keys and YouTube ad revenue in return... It's a very lucrative deal for them. They are like the travelling salesman who knocks the front door of your house, and spends 3 hours sitting in your living room trying to sell you a new carpet. If you don't like the ambassador, just unsubscribe from their YouTube channel and watch something else. Simple.
And this whole sorry saga is exactly why I don't care about or watch opinion videos by ambassador's or anyone, their views on the subject matter mean sod all, it's my opinion and mine alone that is the only valid opinion to me, will never care about what anyone else thinks of said subject matter.......
Same. You can choose to like or not, but running to DTG screaming "take away his title" publically by creating a thread in the TSW General Discussions is just ridiculous, especially coming from someone claiming freedom of speech.
I have to admit that I do often look at reviews before buying a product, but I also think I'm capable of drawing a distinction between a personal view and an objective representation of the product. Good youtube reviews for me tend to be honest ones, that might say X has potential but be aware of Y and Z which might be a problem for some. Often ill buy in to that product as the potential of something I l8ke coming to fruition is worth it for me, and if a reviewer shows off something that clearly I personally don't like, then that's useful information that I can weigh up. I will of course look at multiple review videos to see a broad range of views, look for commonality of issues etc. A broad church of opinion allows that commonality to surface. There are lots of titles that have benefitted from this process, niche games in particular without the budget for marketing, and lots that have suffered (KSP2 and Cities Skylines 2 for example). I like to think it's a positive and symbiotic process with solid marketing principles behind it. After all, the company gets exposure, the youtubers (marketing agents) get currency, and if they don't get the balance right, they lose credibility and their revenue stream. Marketing with accountability.. You don't have to voice an opinion, it'll happen naturally.
The only UK ambassador I believe that is an actual subject matter expert is Dadrail, being a real life driver. He is usually worth watching for pre-release UK content. The other ambassadors, whom I generally find much less engaging, seem to have no useful rail-industry related experience, just seem to spend time recounting their personal coming and goings (c'mon who gives a ****), and exchanging insipid banter with people in the chat.
You know this is the internet right?….everyone gets offended by everything & absolutely no-one ignores anything lol Indeed I spotted a couple of usual suspects right here in this thread who simply cannot help themselves…..
If you don't like his content then don't watch it. No one is forcing you. Its like if there is a TV show you find offensive, then self censure and change the channel.
I'm an ambassador and I'd like to respond that only two ambassador's had early access to the 101 expert myself and one other until just prior to release due to being a volunteer tester. The majority of the group did not have practice time. Even with that extra couple of weeks I still needed one of the TSG team in the chat to help me resolve simulated faults and explain some aspects even though I have read the manual. The 101 expert is very complex to operate especially if you turn up the chaos factor even a little bit. It's also incredibly fun. It took me days to get from frustrating drives to being able to complete services. I've been asking for this sort of experience for years being a real life engineman so I'm grateful to have it. I did see someone mention the DTG leash. There isn't one. We're free to make whatever content we want. DTG 's only ask is that we be constructive in any criticism. I personally try to keep my language moderate on my content because I run a family friendly positive thinking channel that people can watch on their TV without worrying about anything I'll say. There's no requirement from anyone that I have to do this, I chose to do it. Addressing one other comment the ambassador's are not forced to make content. We get given a date and time that we can't launch content before but there's no due by date. Paul aka trainsimulatordriver
Personally if anyone asks me if the dlc I am trying to flog them is good then, and I personally think its goid then I will yes and explain my reasons as to why. The same with things if I don't like or not happy with. When I get some one ask me if I think its worth it. Then, I would explain personally for me yes I do. Because for me it's the Playability factor. The addition of a new route or loco dlc is how much Playability it has. Is it something that will have endless plays on or something like Cane Creek, which doesn't see alot of Playability in my streams. For me personally as I was asked the "is the 101 worth it ?" question in tonights stream. If I were to buy the expert 101, I would wait for a sale of it it was at 25£, as well as either they weigh up the amount of money they pay against how much replay value they get out of it. After all they are paying for it not me. Agree to that. At the end of the day if it's not your thing, then its not your thing and that's fine by me. But personally for me my little community that I have built up over the last few years have really helped me over the last 36 (especially 11 of those) months which have been a total mental stress tank of emotions. So some of the talk that I do especially about what's happened is helping me. As well as the chat back from my little community. So some insipid banter and Comings and goings to you may seem as who gives a LOVE but to other people and the rest of the community it's very helpful. Cheers Hentis
Agreed, community is the most important part of having a channel. Building community is an interactive activity. I was speaking with CALM (Campaign Against Living Miserably) https://www.thecalmzone.net/ recently. They note that the operators of channels with strong community tend to be more positive and be more resilient and more likely to survive significant life issues and challenges. I love helping people. It's common in the chat and the comment stream on past content to get queries and people seeking help. This is the most important part of being an ambassador. I'm happy to be called a salesman if that's what people see an ambassador as but reality is that we're community members who can showcase content, help people, gather feedback, log bugs and be more interactive than DTG can be on a preview stream. Whenever I'm showing new stuff someone always asks to see some particular thing and I'll usually try to do it. Paul aka trainsimulatordriver
Nothing against streamers per se, but for an ambassador stream I expect full focus on showcasing the content with knowledgeable and independent commentary on the quality and overall experience etc. Some small talk is inevitable, but what they had for breakfast or what they were doing last Tuesday week just isn’t a draw for “non-community” viewers who aren’t interested and just want to see the pre-release content in action. On more than one occasion I’ve felt the need to quit these streams because focus on the subject matter is lost. As a connoisseur of human folly however, I do find it titillating that some people feel the need to exhibit, but if that brings them peace and joy then good luck to them.
Interesting. On the one hand I agree, having the possibility to show the DLC before release should indeed also mean that you're able to show all the content. On the other hand, this non-personal kind of advertisment TV you're thinking of is rather something I'd expert from the official DTG streams. The Ambassadors were Youtuber who became Ambassadors. And not the other way around. DTG didn't "make" us, they were like "Hey, we appreciate your content, we want to help you by providing the DLCs for early reviews, have fun!". So imo it's important that the youtubers just stay true to their own approach of the things. If you don't like the approach, try another youtuber. There are quite a few and a lot more non-ambassadors. Of course we all can change and can take this very valuable feedback into our consideration. But don't expert them to do a 180 on their own style of narrating
My own opinion is unimportant in the grand scheme of things as I am admittedly getting on and do not represent the younger demographic of audiences, but you’re right, someone with a natural narrative style is more agreeable to watch.
Tend to agree. Even though the DadRail streams are quite good and we know he is applying real driving experience, the constant guess the loco/location and sponsorship intercessions get a bit intrusive. Though not an Ambassador, one of my favourite streamers remains schnauzahpowahz (think I spelt that correctly). Tells it how it is and goes through in considerable detail. Also not just focused on one sim.
I disagree. All opinions are important. Yours as much as other's. And then it's the YouTuber's job to see whether and in which way they respond to the feedback
