Dtg Are We Waiting For Tsw5

or we can pay 39,99 € each month in order to play the game thats a very good idea imo
with private launcher then DTG can win 30% more without giving the money to Valve

 

Or, better yet, I present to you... TSW Plus: A monthly subscription costing $49.99/month (or $650/year, 8.3% more than the monthly option) where you will get bug fixes and the poor homeless moneyless folks don't!

Edit1: I just realized this edit message thing exists.
Edit2: Yes, This is an additional subscription service for TSW5,6,7,8, etc.
Edit3: I just realized someone already said this :facepalm:

 

Try RW Enhancer 2 then you'll have a TSC that leaves TSW far behind. Better graphics, UI, scenery, lighting, framerate etc. plus proper routes all over the world not boring A to B in 40 minutes in 3 countries. The only thing TSW does better is you can get out of your cab and run around on the track, or put up route maps which of course train drivers don't do IRL. So much for a simulation.

 

The "bad" graphics in TSC are not necessarily due to the scenery (models are often of nearly equal or better quality as in TSW), but due to how some blueprints have been setup there or people only looking at very old routes.

JustTrains' MML is far superior to TSW's still. And the HST, with the AP pack and GoldStarTrains' new super detailed cab is a league of its own. TSW can't compete.

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/the-modern-hst-cab-pack.76938/

And while you can walk in TSW, you can simulate that with the free camera in TSC. No invisible walls there, so there's also more "world" to it. Also nice stuff like the automatic train following trackside camera are still missing in TSW, let alone the empty map. And the inline editor is what makes the game so successful.

The appearance is all due to shaders used. And they can be replaced in TSC, using RWE2 for example. TSC even delivers the shaders source in the "devs" folder, free for everyone to edit and recompile. It's an open architecture, which TSW is not.

And, TSC core overhaul development continues in phase 2 of the rework now. It still is the most versatile train simulation available, and DTG are doing right to keep it going.

 

The TSC recruitment drive is 15 years too late lol, sorry but you’re not going to convince anyone here it’s better than TSW. Spent a good number of years on it but its day is pretty much done unless a massive graphics engine update is in the works to bring it up to 2020s standards.

 

Nothing is over!!! . But TSW also doesn't look like a 2020's game in many places to be fair. Paper trees on empty shiny reflective hills. Passengers with plastic wigs. Whiteout in certain cloud conditions.

And as a railfan, I want as much as I can get to enjoy my hobby. TSW is far too restricted for me. You're missing out on steam and routes around the globe. And all the rolling stock.

Don't be so negative!

 

No TSW still looks better imo.
TSC has better routes because it’s not so graphically demanding as TSW. So longer routes, more assets and features etc.
I still prefer TSW though, doing a 2 hour plus journey would tire me out and ultimately bore me.
45 minutes to an hour per journey/route is enough for me.

 

A long route doesn't mean every service needs to go the full length. It's just more variety of services to do.

It's just TSC offers many routes you will never see in TSW due to development costs and licensing bs. That's why it's good to enjoy more than just a single game. But that's personal preference of course. I play what makes me happy, and TSC works better in that respect for me.

 

Yeah, that part never made sense to me. DTG own both TSC and TSW, so saying they can’t get the license on one game, but not the other sounds like nonsense and lies to me.
DTG have not always been honest and fourth coming with their customers, so it wouldn’t surprise me that they’re keeping certain info hidden from us.

I respect that. Personally TSC has never gelled me so I always stuck to TSW. As you said, you should always play what makes you happy.

 

Thing is, you have to buy the two HST enhancement packs, then buy the cab enhancement pack for the HST enhancement pack for this HST... and that's not mentioning whatever else you need to buy to play the HST's included scenarios, which reasonably speaking, should have no requirements except the base HST EP so you can actually play a scenario or two with it out of the box.

Overall, I personally think it is too expensive for what it is, and a complete faff to install all this unofficial content to get TSC remotely close to TSW's level. If third parties had to sell their stuff through Steam, without need for all these custom installers or having to manually install stuff. That would be an improvement. It would also stop them doing questionable things like subscription services, or blocking scenarios off with a massive paywall of requirements.

I got into simulators in 2020, I started with TSW2020 on PS4. I then hopped over to a 3070 laptop when the whole Gen8 console layer situation cropped up during HMA's release. During the early days with my laptop, I gave TSC a shot but the list of requirements for the improvements put me right off. I uninstalled it, and decided to stick with TSW.

Overall, I do really enjoy my time with it and don't feel I'm missing out on TSC.

I don't think TSW's issue is the game or versatility of the engine itself, I think there's untapped potential there. It's just up to the developers to bring out that potential, which is where the problem lies.

Look at the state of TSW steam locomotives for example. Development clearly wasn't given enough time and steam traction has suffered as a result. Now we have a rumour going around that "steam doesn't sell well" which isn't actually the issue... There IS a market for steam but the developers don't have a good core foundation down for it. They can't blame the customer base for poor sales if the quality isn't there, that's a backwards way of looking at it.

I think DTG need a team that focuses solely on bug fixing routes and implementing constant core improvements. I always thought closing the preservation crew was a bad idea.

 

Almost no company will grant an open-ended IP license. If DTG has a license for TSC, it's for TSC, not for any other game.

 

Yeah I understand it’s for one brand. It’s just confusing why DTG can’t pursue the licenses on their other product.
Did their previous endeavours on TSC not sell well, so they think they’ll be at a loss on the TSW version? Or maybe DTG don’t want to waste the money now that Focus Entertainment have a say in their business ethics.

 

TBH, Berninalinie is basically on the shorter end of routes, if you do Tirano-St. Moritz, so I have no clue why they ended it at Ospizio Bernina other than to piss off customers. And if they wanted to release it before Christmas... too late. They might as well set it back three months so that they can include the full route. I wouldn't give a damn if it costs $5 more. I just want a complete route.

At this point, the TSC route is better because at least it stops at a good spot, and has the RhB AbE 4/4 III and the Ge 4/4 as well, If I am correct.

 

Just scroll up this page and you will see a comparison between a modded and upgraded TSC and vanilla TSW, the difference is starkly in favour of TSC. Scenery in TSW is nothing special at all, what are better in TSW are the NPC's.

 

Not going down this road again with the whole “my toy is better than yours” bud, as i’ll be replying the same comment over and over to every TSC worshipper.
You enjoy TSC more, great. I prefer TSW though. Play what makes you happy.

 

Ok great, at least you have the TSC version to enjoy.
I won’t be picking up the Berlinaline TSW version myself. As impressive as it looks, it’s route that would bore me very quickly, just like Arosa. Routes like Berlina are something I’d play a few times, then they’d be untouchable and forgotten about.
I will pick it up at later date in the sales.

 

All comedy until i remembered they enquired about this in I think it was a survey. They had ideas at the very least (no price was stated) they were testing it’s popularity

continuous payments and no ownership isn’t my cup of tea. They work out cheaper at first in the same way money lenders offer money but it certainly drops off quick and increasingly against a lender’s interest price every minute time goes on.

 

I think the whole TSC vs. TSW debate comes down to one simple truth at the end of day: TSC is for people who want to go deep. Have a huge choice of routes and rolling stock, enhance the graphics with RW Enhancer or the AP Products, messing about in the editor by making scenarios, making routes, editing routes, downloadings repaints and soundupdates...modding everything. But it takes lots of money and time. It´s basicly a full time hobby. TSW on the other side is plug and play, a fire and forget experience. Come home from work and drive around for an hour with no problems (except the bugs). It delievers a casual experience and that´s fine. The two games just appeal to a total different types of people...

TSW players approach TSC in the same way they do TSW. They buy the game and drive the vanilla content by DTG. I get it, not great. You need to dig deeper or just stay with TSW.

 

TSW appeals to the full spectrum from beginners to experts, you can drive with little to no experience with the help of assistants, there are tutorials, and so on. But you can also just turn off all sorts of assistants and ignore the tutorials too. It's supposed to be the go-to train simulator ment for everybody. I play TSW because it was my first train simulator game (TSW 2020) (aside from the various train simulator games I played as a kid, but I can't really remember the names of them anymore lol) which I stuck to, purchasing various DLCs, and successors as time went by, and at a certain point in time the option of potentially switching and sticking to TSC became unviable because of all the content I bought for TSW, not to mention sticking to each new release of TSW. Switching to TSC now would mean I'd have to buy a lot of content again, because I only have the base game with 2 DLCs I am interested in, and nothing more (except 2 or 3 DLCs that I am not interested in), since I bought it in a bundle, and have never bought content for it ever.

I'd love to try out TSC again and buy content for it, since it has SO many DLCs (I mean it's the most largest and most expensive (in total) game collection you can buy and have on Steam) and a ton of them are even more appealing than any DLC in my current TSW collection.

 

IIRC, it was someone on the forum floating that idea, and DTG shot it down immediately.

 

Unfortunately, it feels like ever since they released 4, at least I've been waiting for 5. I mean, I'd be surprised (happily of course) if they gave TSW4 another year as "stay of execution". That would certainly make me seriously consider getting it.

 

I think most of the forum shot it down as well. Might work for Netflix or Apple TV where you sub for a couple of months, binge watch then cancel it but not for a train game where usage is persistent. I mean N3V try it for Trainz with their gold and silver memberships as an alternative to just buying the game. The acolytes would have you believe it’s the best thing since wholemeal bread, but yes you might get instant access to all that content but as soon as you hit cancel, gone off your PC.

 

When do you think they'll change the name to include a year, instead of a number?

Plenty of ex-EA staff working at DTG, and they love all that FIFA'24, Madden'24, Ice Hockey'24 nonsense.

When we get up to TSW68, people are going to wonder what's going on... Or lose the will to live.

 

They did have TSW2020 (which was changed from TSW1). Then for some reason decided to number them again.

 

Oh dear God no, if that'd be the case I'm just quitting till I can afford a PC to hop onto Sim Rail or TSC.

 

Train Sim World is so perfect in every way that DTG are fully entitled to charge as much as they want to even just allow you to have access to it.

Personally I would be happy if they charged a weekly fee that was billed using BOTH the time spent on it multiplied by the number of simulated miles driven. That would seem very fair given the absolute digital nirvana that this wonderful product induces.

 

Obvious troll is obvious

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

Been reported already. Has done it in other threads as well.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

From four words you able to garner all that?

 

this guy reminds me of the australian guy from a few months back who kept being completely ignorant to the cracks in TSW. Alt Maybe?

 

I suspect it's the usual village idiot back under yet another name...

 

This is what happens when the world is becoming more and more filled with crazies, we just don't have enough padded cells these days......

 

Of course we are getting a TSW5.

I mean people are going to argue and complain, but in the end, people are going to vote with their wallets and buy the thing. Same thing with TSW6, TSW7, TSW:Next, TSW:Remastered,...

 

TSW: Voyager, TSW: DS9, TSW: Special Victims Unit.....

 

And let’s not forget the inevitable TSW: Origins.

 

And TSW The Definitive Version

 

Then eventually we'll get the reboot series just called Train Sim World again.

 

If Origins comes with Stephensons Rocket I'm there for it. Although it'll probably be plauged by physics issues.

 

Or horse-drawn rail vehicles.

 

I think you may be right, the username is crazy similar if not .

 

No, no, now it's trendy to do the whole 'the' thing when returning to the original name. So after TSW53 you will get The Train Sim World.

 

"Don't you have a tattoo that says "Die Train Sim World, Die"?"

"No, that's German, it says "The Train Sim World, The"...."

 

[Removed - Alex: Highly Inappropriate]

 

There is little "expert" about TSW compared to TSC with AP add-ons.

In TSW, the audio regularly doesn't even come close to the detail of an AP product. Have there actually been any locos/units with dedicated cab sounds that aren't just muffled external sounds? This is most noticeable on diesel locos/units.

Where is the variable power every time you load the sim to represent the differing qualities of trains within a certain class? Or the brakes? It's the same every time you drive it.

Where are the wide variety of liveries to allow you to simulate whatever era you like? Related to that, there might be certain classes available but it's nearly always just one variant. Take the 142, you get just the variant with old doors and old style cab. Take the 158, it's just the East Midlands variant.

Where are the radio systems? GSMR/CSR/NRN.

I will happily accept that in certain lights/angles, TSW can trump TSC graphically but at the same time, there are certain lights/angles where TSW just looks plain odd compared to TSC with its overly shiny surfaces and muddy detail on scenery. IMO, TSC provides a much more consistent and immersive environment whereas TSW is much more variable and often jars when you see some strange lighting/reflections.

Whether you think using TSC with AP add-ons is too costly compared to TSW is another question but I struggle to accept that when you take cost out of the equation, TSW comes anywhere close to the 'expert' simulation that TSC provides.

 

TSW: A New Era? :P

 

Alex... it was The Simpsons reference... a reply to another Simpsons reference, word for word.

 

A shiver just went down my spine.

 

Can't wait for Tsw: a new era 2 in 2025!!