Ecml And The Route For The Azuma

Isn’t NYT an extension of the original NEC in TSW

 

They also messed up the PIS;- the 800s pis does not look like that in real life

 

Also they messed up the classification system. 801/2s are 9 car units and 801/1 s are 5 car units. 801/1s run to West Yorkshire and rarely go north of York, while 801/2s run to Leeds and up north of York

 

Yep. The London Kings Cross is scrolling. In reality it doesn’t scroll. I’ve got reference pics I can share to illustrate if DTG can’t be bothered to do basic research.

 

Literally and the font is wrong, also the PIS doesn’t show departure time, and stations that the train calls at. Like these are simple things that you can’t miss

 

Under normal circumstances we get a 5 car to Middlesbrough, a 10 car diagram on a Sunday from Edinburgh. Then we get the 10 cars during engineering works (Carlisle and Durham Coast diversions).

 

Not the best example - took at Darlington on a diagram I work. But yeah shows the difference. If they have the license to model the Azuma then surely that includes fonts etc of the PIS.

 

Yeah this. I hope DTG address the issue, as well as the numbering issue because 801/2s are not 5 car units

 

I'm disappointed with the class 801 showcase. Sounds like they reused some electrostar sounds. They didn't showcase any of the proper traction motor sounds and when they tried to the wind noise was too loud and drowned it out. They also got the exterior p.i.s wrong. Hopefully things are improved on the night of the stream as this is the biggest and potentially the best route for tsw yet and I really hope they don't screw this up.

 

I’ll cancel my preorder if they do as well

 

It's just for the "running sounds" when it's at speed I think but it's still worrying.

 

Ah man, if they’ve done the 801 dirty on sounds too, I’m out.

 

Honestly. They better get the 801 sounds correct. I can let PIS slide, but not sounds

 

Have we got a link to this?

Will be very disappointing if hot on the heels of the fudged sounds for the Austrian EMU, we have a similar exercise for the Azuma. I thought LNER had granted them full access, presumably to include sound recording. Really I don't want to hear the Electrostar driving a 801. It's bad enough the mess they made with the Class 700 which seems as if it will go unfixed. Leads me to suspect that the audio department at DTG really is the weakest link in the operation, needs sorting out. And once again, if you can't get the correct sounds, why do the route in this time period? Should have wound it back and done Deltic or HST.

 

Listen to the 800 ep from ap and compare. It has run sounds similar to an electrostar in the ep itself

 

I have just watched the video and in fairness to DTG it doesn't sound too shabby at all. I don't run alongside the train in real life but that outside flying camera shot sound Azuma enough that if I had my eyes shut and someone played it I would recognise it as an Azuma. The shots where it went by when the camera were static was another gooden and actually I can compare that to real life as I went down to the bottom of the garden after watching the video, waited for an Azuma to go by and then watched the video again and it didn't sound wrong at all. I have already discussed the numbering, the PIS I couldn't care less about and there are a couple of other really, really picky things which I won't mention as I can guarantee no one else will mention them.
I am very excited to get my hands on these beauties in game because from what we've seen so far DTG haven't done too bad of a job at all!

 

Thanks for that.

Hard to say and it will be better to judge from the stream or actually driving in game.

Going to take a quick run on the TSC version (just default, not AP) see how that sounds, but the one thing I can say having travelled on the GWR 8xx's a fair bit is that they should not sound like an Electrostar.

 

Ironically, the AP EP uses electrostar run sounds as well

 

Actually having listened to the AP sounds it's not to bad at all! Looking forward to this again! But I do hope they sort the p.i.s.

 

Well the default 801 in TSC has hardly any discernible traction sound audible at all in the cab, so can't really judge from that.

One thing I will say though, heading from Posh to the Cross, just passed through Sandy I'm glad DTG didn't choose this section of the ECML. It really is a rather tedious drive, nothing to do other than the occasional speed restriction and blip of power in Notch 1 or 2 when speed drops back to 120 MPH.

 

Best made up town name ever

 

I'm moving to Grogglesbottom as soon as it exists

 

I am reassured and will recant my earlier concern, on approval of hearing the finished article of course! (Three days to go)...

 

I have watched the video a couple more times when it suddenly dawned on me that I actually won't be able to watch the stream live on Wednesday because I won't be in time to watch it live without missing a massive chunk. Looks like my first proper go of the Azuma in TSW will be Thursday at about 16:15...

Your not one of the folk who put in a noise complaint a couple of years ago at a horn in Biggleswade are you? If so we've got problems!

Could be worse as we could still have the VP185 HSTs which really did make a racket!

 

The reason why I love posh to cross so much is the section between London and Stevenage, I absolutely love it so much

 

Why? Just out of interest.

 

Just the variety, commuters, high speed, semi fast services, the depots, London, it’s such a nice experience. Probably the highest amount of variety bar Doncaster

 

That's truly bizarre. I mean, like some of the more outre sexual fetishes are bizarre.

 

Fair enough- should have probably guessed that would be the answer!

 

I love it so much as well as the area around Doncaster and the Leeds line

 

I don't think it does, certainly doesn't with TMS audio announcements.
Alot of the time, font can be copyrighted and held by a completely random party, in which case, it's cheaper to go with "next best" than get their software licence.

 

I think hitachi owns the font no?

 

I don't know for sure, however, I believe (98% sure) this is the standard font across all the 80xs in which case in lay in the hands of Hitachi...

...in which case don't expect it soon.

As I say though it doesn't particularly bother me as it isn't something I look at in real life and so it isn't going to bother me in game. It's a minor niggle.

 

Either them, or some absolutely random 3rd party software company.

 

I mean if we could get the font of the 395, I wouldn’t rule out getting it for the 801

 

I must be careful with my words here, but keep your hopes rock bottom as I have a very strong feeling DTG can't be blamed for this one.

 

Ah ok. At least if the correct font is out the equation what about the destination, next station and calling points on the PIS

 

Just as an aside from my experience driving the 801 in TSC. Is it me or in addition to the almost complete lack of traction sound and only one tone on the horn, it is massively overpowered? I was able to accelerate from 120 MPH to 125 MPH on level track using just Notch 1. Hopefully the TSW version will be slightly less fleet of foot assuming the TSC version has inaccurate physics of course.

Any thoughts matt#4801 ?

 

Newcastle is also a real life crew change point so would help realism of driving partial route. If they added the small section from drem to north Berwick could have 385s for commuter runs.

 

For starters I'm reporting your aggressive post because the quote you attributed to me you instead made up yourself to make me look bad, and hence was a lie because you are obviously an ignorant attention seeker. My original post was polite and informative and was based on MY recent experience. [EDIT - Jan - Antagonistic]

 

Just imagine the uproar if they started and ended a German route minus any termini of significance. Which is what has happened here basically. That is based on my own experiences as I use this route London Kings X to York quite regularly, so not an armchair critic like some. [EDIT - Jan - Antagonistic]

 

Sadly it’s the DTG flywheel at work > dripfeed a highly suggested route but intentionally miss important locations, been happening since TSW1 with the GWE

 

[EDIT - Jan - Antagonistic]

 

I’ve just rewatched the video of the Azuma and something is bugging me. It doesn’t sound right. It doesn’t sound like an 801 at all. I’ve worked on the since 2019 and know the sound well. I don’t know what they’ve used as source sounds for the 801 but it ain’t an 801.

 

I have travelled a fair bit on the GWR versions and yes they are quite distinct sounding trains. It’s not going to stop me getting TSW4 but audio is really an area where DTG are consistently falling down. Even where they source the correct sounds they just cannot get the mix right. We saw that with the Class 700 and we have pretty much had it confirmed by Matt the low level, poorly looped sounds are final and not getting touched. We already know the Austrian EMU with TSW4 has the wrong sounds and here we are now with the Azuma - doesn’t matter if the sounds were sourced from AP, if they are based in whole or part off the Electrostar then they are not correct. When this project and primary train was whiteboarded, access to the prototype for sounds should have been at the top of the list.

 

Can people just be happy we got the ECML at all.

And a quick reminder we haven't played this route yet. For all anyone knows it could exceed our expectations.

 

They might as well do it all the way up to Edinburgh with branch lines. Maybe they could skip drem and Berwick and do Newcastle to Dundee via Fife circle and Edinburgh.