Shenfield - Ealing Broadway & Liverpool Street (High level) Ealing Broadway - Abbey Wood This would be a very cool DLC in game, however in the core tunnel section I'm not expecting ATO 25 Stations
This has been suggested before but is fraught with issues. Much of it is already covered by GWE, recently remastered and they are unlikely to want to duplicate in a slightly later era. The tunnel section under London is ATO and would be an incredibly boring section to drive as a result. Finally, DTG are still averse to doing routes with extensive tunnel sections and sub surface stations due to the amount of light baking required to make these look correct. They have previously stated that Bakerloo Line went considerably over budget as a result of this.
I second that what Vern said. I’m a regular commuter on the Elizabeth line and it’s “incredibly boring”. Long stretches of tunnels, in fact without google referencing it I’d say it’s about 70% of tunnels from my own personal experience. The route from Abbey Wood to Whitechapel is mostly above ground, Whitechapel onwards is mostly tunnels. So yeah not the most exciting route. Hard pass from me.
Other way round! Id say like 30% tunnels. Reading - Pad (31 miles) is overground. Core and heathrow are underground bur after Startford its all above ground
Heathrow is off limits as BAA will not allow access for research and/or presumably depiction of its infrastructure. And again, unlikely DTG will duplicate the existing GWML.
Oh I see, I only travel as far as Paddington as I change for the underground. I’ve never ventured past that.
The other issue is the amount of assets needed for such a route. Routes from big cities are already very memory intensive and that's with one section adjacent to the towers in the city centre, one section in the built-up inner suburbs, one section of depots and sidings and industrial zones before reaching trees and houses as far as the eye can see in the outer suburbs. These are the sections of Bakerloo line, GWE, WCMLS and BML that really test our rigs and consoles. Now double all that because the route goes from one edge of London to the other. That the route provides few meaningful freight opportunities, is an all stops service, lighting issues with underground lines in TSW and has ATO in the core all make this an unlikely route to appear in my opinion. Paddington to Reading has been done. There's not much above ground running on the south east branch to Abbey Wood so if any of the Elizabeth Line is to appear in TSW I strongly suspect would be the slow lines between Liverpool Street and Shenfield as part of a larger GEML route. And possibly not even in the modern era, so the old NSE, FGE, NXEA, GA or TFL Rail service. With the exception of the TFL era, there was even a slight variance in stopping patterns.
Honestly, that's DTG's job to handle to avoid any problems of memories and others by creating a route; I think we players shouldn't worry about it when making a suggestion.
There's nothing wrong with dreaming big, but there's also nothing wrong with others offering opinions on the feasibility of those dreams. Because if a suggestion is beyond the limitations of TSW at the moment, then that suggestion will not become a reality.
Indeed. Even routes that would send LAMPOIL into a white heat like North Wales Coast or the GEML out of Liverpool Street (regardless of era) are being ignored by DTG, so they are not going to undertake something that is probably beyond their pay grade and technical ability.
I'm not saying the opposite, I'm just saying there are things we players shouldn't worry about because they're internal and a problem that DTG needs to handle, especially since memory issues aren't new. The only thing we should be concerned about, in my opinion, is the length of the routes and the number of trains, because I don't think 20 new trains on a 300km routes would be possible, we all agree on that.
Yes, I agree. We're a passionate lot, we all want TSW to be the best it can be and I see these forums as an opportunity to discuss ideas and their feasibility as if we are all in a face-to-face social setting. I remember sitting on a Class 317 bound for Kings Cross with a friend when I was a youngster. He asked "With the right modifications, what's to stop this train from being capable of doing 200mph?" I gave him loads of reasons why it would never happen, all of them pragmatic arguments to which he responded "You're no fun. Why let reality stop you from thinking big?". I guess the world needs dreamers but we also need pragmatists. Both can live side-by-side in here I guess.
