Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! 3 Year Anniversary

I think judging by the other updates, you can expect probably a slight virtual pat on the back US content gets the short end of the stick and this is already a really really short stick

 

Some time in the summer

 

Hmm. Is that official? Can you be a little less specific? That's the most helpful post I can remember you making. Keep it up.

 

Between the UK and German update releases and what's been fixed, would expect the US having their turn within next month, as a guess. Though how much of fixes & improvements for these routes, would expect not a whole lot compare to others so far.

 

The attached images show what we get for the US outside the EU and what is in the works. The second image is taken from youtube.
I did look in my game and I didn't see anything for San Bernardino.

 

San Bernardino is still months out, but we haven't seen any new info on it yet since the original announcment.

 

Yeah, that is what I figured, I mean you would think we are within the 6 months time frame, and it would/should have been next.
But ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I suspect San Bernadino was only announced at all because of the licensing issues delaying LIRRC, they had to tell us that a US route was in the works but couldn't mention LIRRC until the licensing was sorted, so they announced something else a lot sooner than they usually would.

 

That is a valid point, but it is still messed up that they dangle a carrot like that and not produce a product, or at least give a statement "We are hoping/expecting for a release in the next XX months" but we will keep all informed.

 

Officially the research work for San Bernardino was done out in LA at the same time as that for Antelope Valley which has been out since September, 2023. But , according to MP, SB is " not ready yet ". Go figure.

 

Yeah silly Us the gamers to expect a timely release, Good Golly Molly...

 

They probably only did so because they were going to be in the area anyway.

Saves time and money having to go back.

 

Hey, if it releases later but is a 10/10 banger with top-notch scenery and everything, that would be great... but it's DTG we're talking about.

 

Yes, Sir, you are correct, all we can do is HOPE.

 

I play on a console and I like to think that I play it 'seriously' - safety systems on, obeying speed limits, etc. Vapid generalisations are rarely useful.

 

Same here.

Don't know what "console whizzy kid" he means.

 

The research work might have been done but literally everything else still had to be made after antelope. Just because they did research before antelopes release doesnt mean the route will be magically completed in a couple months. From the images they showed it was very clearly early in the oven as they had just worked on LIRR.

 

A valid point, BUT, they have everything in hand, as for making the route, other than the buildings that they don't have already in their editor, that may not be "and I'm pretty sure it's not" the same one as the beta editor the modding community has access to. The foliage, the track, the track bed, all the odds and ends like sleepers, barrels, trash here and there, fences, you name, it's all copy and paste just like in TSC & TrainZ. The Loco is already modeled, ie; Antelope Line, the question is why was it delayed "in all honesty I don't remember hearing anything as to why" But LIRR-v2 was pushed to the front of the line, and now the BR 218, so what happened. Would like to know from DTG. As the image I edited and posted here shows, we are well past the 6-month mark for it to be in our hands for those who wish to purchase it, okay there may have been some sort of set back things do happen, but it's the None statements/silence of American routes. And no I don't watch YouTube road map videos religiously, I may scrub through them, but I do read the update/patch notes. and the DT Live news page.

 

Don't want to belabor the point but it's been 9 months since AVL was launched. DTG are saying SBL is " not ready yet " which is frankly hard to believe.

My guess? It's being saved for the Summer bundle, which is really disappointing. I was hoping for something a bit more ambitious for this year.

( all my emphasis ).

 

Its just not ready yet? LIRR was supposed to release but couldnt because of licensing issues. US players were upset that they had no news for any route so they revealed san bernadino super early. the images shown are just inside an editor and a screenshot of Antelope valley. Its apparent they still had to make the entire route from there so i dont see why this is such a big issue. Its on the roadmap and will be revealed soon. Would rather have a good release than a rushed one.

How so? LIRR was inbetween that which required alot of work. You still need to create a route even if you've already done the research. It was clearly shown off very early how hard was it to grasp that? routes take time to make even with a research trip already done. AVL and SB werent produced together.

 

Remember they had lirr which took all or most of the resources and staff. San bernardino was either not being worked on or had very little staff working on it

 

Oh goodness!! I've unleashed the apologist brigade!! Sorry folks.

 

As I have said, and many more than I who have been here longer than I, they dangled a carrot and moved on, The time and money I have invested in TSW, is crazy, I must be out of my mind, and to think when someone, a Dev team states we are going to be making ____ fill in the blank, Yes I want quality, and for it to work correctly. Bottom line Say what you mean and mean what you say, I am not the only one who is tired of empty promises "Oh but it's on the road map" That is a load of cow patties.

They, DTG need to get on the ball, I watched A live Steam "Oh yeah we are in talks with 3rd party teams for Steam content" to now just dismissing it, US freight is another that is on the chopping block, "Oh wait they can't get access or whatever the excuse is" They flashed San Bernardino to quell the crowd? that wanted US content, Bull Honkies, how many believed that really.

It took the modding community to fix a broken route with missing pantos, I can go down the list of what is broken and not fixed, and abandoned, Actions speak louder than words, and if for some reason something can't done or a deadline will not be met, say so! But we all are met with crickets and silence, more than not. And that is why this thread is here.

 

I kind of started it Good Golly Molly.

 

This was after a patch

then another patch to fix the other patch.

And it still has issues. So yes Quality should be first, but is it?

 

Oh that's right they could not get to the San Bernadino DLC.
Because DTG just released a new EA game.
CITY TRANSPORT SIMULATOR: TRAM, STEAM EARLY ACCESS

 

Yeah it'll be a cold day in hell before I purchase that. Fictional routes don't do anything for me and I remember the last tram game DTG released that was left to die.

 

Grow up and take some criticism, you said something silly and we responded to it. Im not an apologist for DTG. Just pointing out the facts of the situation to someone who apparently is too bad faith to engage

They dangled a carrot? What is the actual problem here? that the route isnt done fast enough? it was clearly in early stages of development have some patience geez

Not developed by DTG, how is this relevant? SB is still releasing, it was just shown off way to early due to problems with LIRR

 

Again "Say what you mean, DTG, and Mean what you say. If they are changing Direction and they did it was not stated. Plain and simple, just like silence on the subject of Steam, and Yet they push it. Talk means nothing unless it's backed up with actions, plain and simple. There is a theme here "Plain and Simple"
It's about doing what you say you plan to do and sticking to it...
Not about speed, and it is about the poor quality that has been pushed out, "again see above stick to the plan, do what you say plan to" I can show you the poor quality going back to 2020. And it's still here in TSW4 through TSW3 & 2.
Get quality coders, get people who know how to optimize a game like this.
And please don't start with the name-calling and telling people to grow up, "Crosstie" made a valid statement, Plain and simple. Are you bucking for a Free game?
It is their product. is it not? I don't care who made it.

Spoiler

I'm with you Not ever going to be on my PC.

 

He called me an apologist for trying to explain why SB is taking longer than i expected so I think its deserved. Dont know what you're referring to with free game or any of your posts. Seems like you're fighting your own demons more than talking to me

 

Well to be honest you are sound like that, and making excuses as to why something is or is not available.
Now you are changing the subject, again, "I asked you a question are you bucking for a Free game or Free content from DTG"
Well If my posts don't make any sense to you, and I'm fighting my demons, Then I better get to a neurologist, and have my head examined because I like train games and spent mucho denars on this pile, oh wait, yeah, that's right I have an appointment in 5 months, I will have him take a look. And I will have to bring all the other people here who have stated similar statements as I did who have been here longer than I.
Ç'est la vie machari.
Értel engemet most.

 

so if the quality is so poor that you have to mention it at once then why are you even here caring about when they will release a route if all you are going to do is complain about how poor it will be. Can you not go and find a new hobby or something that will please your clearly very high standards. And before you come with the usual insult of "oh look another apologist" change the record on that insult.

 

1] I did not make the statement, I just reiterated it.
2 ] Ask everyone else the same question, Who has posted the same thing or similar, and if not more than I did, there are 105 Pages of people who have made statements.
2] You think it's just me?
3] Why am I and so many others still here because we all do, not just I want things to get better, but because we all like TSW.
4] I never the quality is all Poor, But YES there are plenty of things that were stated and simply abandoned, and there are plenty of routes with trains that the modding community Fixed, Not DTG.
5] If we the gamers don't stand and speak up making our voices heard, how else will anything get better, No I don't mean in anger, but DTG does a great job making excuses and apologizing if that is what it's called.
6] Guess what people are bailing, some may say it, and some will not.
7] This thread is filled with people reporting Bugs and issues, and long before I was here and asking the hard questions, again long before I did, and stated thoughts and feelings of dissatisfaction.
8] How long can any company stay in business delivering subpar products and stay in business, and relying on the modding community to fix and repair as best as they can?
9] If it wasn't for the modding community, I would have dumped TSW a long time ago, I already dumped it on my XB1X.
Maybe this has answered your questions.

 

i aint waisting my time for you to say one thing then reply when called out with another but i will answer point 8 and 9 in your post.

point 8. how long can a company stay in business well put it this way TSC is 15 years old this year so make of that what you will

9. you keep mentioning the modding community the modding community only play a park on PC users. Guess what console users numbers are higher than PC players so if you think the moding community is what is keeping the game going you a miles of course. console users outweigh the pc players and console users cannot use mods so make of that what you will.

 

I do believe, I answered your question, if you feel I did not, well so be it.
But If you are calling me out as to my statements and why I'm still here with the statements I made, then call all others out as well.
There are people here going back to the days of TSW2020.
Yes, you are correct, TSC is still going strong, and a fair amount of it is free content, made by the modders, all you need to do is look in this thread. And many people are going to TSC and walking away from TSW.
As for Console gamers, I will look at that up, but for the time being take it at face value.
And yes it is the modding community that has fixed/corrected many things, and it is a shame that console users can't use mods, and many there are still having issues, just look at the PS5 threads and Xbox threads.
Here are some stats from Steam, these numbers are looking good, yes they fluctuate and may be a little off here and there.

 

I think I now know why DTG is having Mega Sales Right now, this is not looking good. IMHO
Steam Mega Sale - https://steamcommunity.com/app/2362300
I just did a bit of searching, Xbox players are not getting much sales of any kind, and the PlayStation site is not letting me see anything per TSW__.
But I did find this info play tracker.com I am not logged in here I have no account.

But this was not what I expected at all, it was almost at €19.00, last week and now.

https://live.euronext.com/en/product/equities/FR0012419307-ALXP/company-information
Just a little reminder to those who did not know this info.
https://pullupent.com/en
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/news...ass-expertise-in-ip-development-in-simulation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_Entertainment

And these are the reasons why, many of us who like TSW2, 3, 4 2020 want to see this company to do better, grow, make better content, and mean what they say, say what they mean.
:ADDED: Web Site Link for anyone that may want to see the site. from where I grabbed the image.

 

Do you just make long winded posts to confuse people.

many people are NOT switching from TSW to TSC

steam ALWAYS have a summer sale and have done for years. TSC have always participated in the summer sales and since TSW emerged so has that so the sales are nothing new.

Xbox has it own annual sales and guess what so does PlayStation infact the PlayStation sale is on as well just now. It’s called rewarding customers.

 

Again, I will say, you call me out, then call out everyone that has made a post in this thread and elsewhere as long and or longer than I.
Yes, I just love to make long posts, It's so much fun.
I'm confusing you and others? Really? WoW did not know I was...
Yes, people are and have stated it here and in other threads, just look through the 105 pages, I'm not going to name Drop, I have seen the statements.

Yes, steam has sales, every year, steam has been having a lot of sales with regard to TSW, Wonder why DTG chose to re-enable the sale of TSW3 after they took it off the market. As well as TSW2 for the longest time no one could buy TSW2 and yet lo and behold now you can buy TSW2 as well, WoW ain't that amazing. I wonder why, Hmm
Yes Xbox has sales also here is their loyalty. And you can now buy TSW2, WoW, When I wanted it I had to buy it on Disc.


So How Long before TSW1/2020 is put back on the market?

Just a little bit of info, when a company needs to make money quickly, they push sales, it's not steam creating the sales, they can not say "You know what we will sell TSW2" NO only the developers say, yay or Nay. I have not seen sales of 80% on any TSW content ever, but now they are. Why? To be nice and say you're a loyal customer, here have it 80%. I don't think so.
If that is the case then Fix the Steam physics so the Steam locos work properly, now that is customer loyalty.

Look at the Stock price, I provided the link and a screenshot. €9.00 a share now that is a steal. Look at their earnings it's all public information. Everything that is on sale is simply to bring in money and quickly, the shareholders are not happy with the stock price.
That is the only reason why anyone can buy TSW2 on PC and Xbox and I'll bet on PS also.

 

Breaking news: person discovers companies are here to make money

 

When I first started playing TSW I picked up a lot of routes for 85% off, so a 80% sale is nothing new. In fact TSW3 was 80% off in last year's Steam summer sale, it's DTGs standard pattern for pricing, make money off day one buyers, then steadily offer better and better sales to mop up those of us who like a bargain.

You're very right on the Focus Entertainment performance, shares down 77.7% over the last year, made a 17.6m euro loss last year, no idea whether DTG was profitable or contributed to the loss.

 

Well picked up 4 for £11.
shocked people paid more that £40 for vibration and lights on controller.

 

Me, still Being the relatively New kid on the block sort of speaking with DTG/TSW, I should have stated, ["I personally have not seen sales like this, because I had no need to look nor desired to look, because I own it already"] Good for you and for all whole can get it that want it, that is still an amazing sale when I noticed TSW2 is now on the market for all to buy on Steam "and if you or anyone so choose to spend a lot of hard-earned cash, you can get all TSW2 DLCs 55 items for $601.86 + $19.99 for the base game. This I personally have not seen, and this is what makes me Wonder, what is really going on, too much silence, or better yet a lot of talking but nothing is being said. And then I see the stock price drop by -+ €10.00, of course, they need to stay viable or they go under.

 

This almost makes me want to cry Good for you, bravo. and I thought I had a good deal at $85.00 but I did buy the full monty at the time

That is one beautiful train, My younger daughter loves Green.
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I bought the ultimate edition or whatever it is called on my ps5 for 26,99 back in March that normally costs 89.99 if I remember correct. I also have the sim in my pc.

 

DTG have done 80%-85% deals on TSW stuff many times before... I´ve bought most of my TSW content for under 10 or 5 even Euros.

 

Bravo, Good for you and anyone who can get this content now, grab it and run, and have fun, much of what I own was from the odd sale here and there and from 3rd party vendors, not from Steam or Xbox. But yes this is all good for the community as a whole, well for those who like trains that is. I never look a gift horse in the mouth, but something is going on that we don't know about. And I would love to be in that room where they are hashing things out.

 

So you complain stuff is made bad but buy it in sale anyway. Yes this makes perfect sense for all your ranting insulting and complaining. Bravo as you say!

you clearly just want everything for next to nothing the fact you are buying using these dodgy 3rd party sites which j suggest you do your research on rather than speculating about DTG financial future. Your whole issue here is boiling down to the fact you want dlc cheaper just to accommodate you. I bet if they gave you the content for free you would be here complaining you have to buy the pc/console to use it and would be here complaining about that.

something may not be going on. If you take your silly examples that something must be going on because they are quiet with us then I guess every single business and company worldwide must have something going on because shares go up and down all the time that’s part of the fun in buying shares in any company it’s a gamble sometimes you make a return sometimes you make a loss I don’t see all these other business collapsing overnight like you seem to think because you know nothing. Give it a rest now you are extremely boring

 

Someone got their knickers in a twist. Give up being a spokesperson for them, you look silly - like reckton or what ever.

 

Okay look, I just gave you props and now you want to argue about how I buy things, Do you think I am the only one?
Yes, shares go up and down every day, Very good, and you are convoluting everything, twisting everything have said, Do not Assume to think you know how I spend my money.

But if you really must know.

The PC I am using and its GPU at cost is over 2k, so I have no issue buying a quality product.
I have Built PCs that would have sold for 4k as I bought the parts from multiple vendors.
Oh no, Doggy vendors. Please Give me a frelling Break.

The writing is or may not be on the wall, But hear now, when any company has lost more than half its value, the shareholders will be concerned, plain and simple... That is when the company ie; DTG starts selling content they took off the market, ie; TSW2 & 3.
Now can I be wrong? Sure, but I/we/all have to ask the 5W's and what is happening.

I am now done here and finished with this childish bickering and having my statements twisted. And having the subject changed in almost every post. All the info is there make of it what you will.

This all started with Content promised and not delivered by DTG. and that is where should have stayed. Plain and simple..