Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! 3 Year Anniversary

There's some beautiful melodies in that Bungle track, kinda down syndrome queen meets Ghostbusters

 

Not forgetting that a new console would cost a lot more than a £30 DLC.

 

Seemed the best place to put this…

I got an email yesterday evening there is a new version of ProMods to go with the latest update to ETS2, which I haven’t been on since January. So I took the plunge and headed off to my favourite stamping ground of Northern Europe. Frankly the lighting, graphics and performance put TSW to shame. Everything just looks so good, you can see SCS are a team who take real pride in their product, as indeed are the talented modders who produce ProMods etc.

Nice to be playing a game that doesn’t hitch and judder continuously, doesn’t alternate between trying to burn your eyeballs out one run to peering into a black pit of night on the next. Towns and cities that look more than a few random buildings plonked down and disguised by avenues and clumps of trees.

Sunset on the approach to Honningsvag has to be seen to be appreciated.

There’s also far more sense of purpose to what you do in ETS2 (or ATS) than just mindlessly accumulating AP.

 

I've been buying ATS extension maps for the past 2 years without playing them. It's easier to buy them in chunks, when they get discounted.
I look forward to driving from coast to coast one day, and I mean proper SCS maps, not the copy/paste job that the C2C mod was.

 

Yes I see Arkansas has just released for ATS, only £10 too which compares favourably with what DTG charge for incomplete and poorly tested DLC. Will be grabbing that at some point.

 

I've not got it but it's the lack of traffic I've seen on streams that make it look more like the Fife Circle than the WCMLS. I live near it and it should be way busier than it is. Also the way they've decimated the LO 710's timetable of course. This is not a simulation of the real route.

 

In the recent "Planes Trains and Automobiles Fest" Steam sale instead of getting anything for TSW or TSC, I went for Diesel Railcar Simulator (additionally to a couple of other games that are more about building around trains than driving them). Maybe the scenery there doesn't look as detailed as in TSW, however the graphics get updates every couple of months, like just yesterday for example ballast got bumpy tessellation and some textures were updated to look more natural, but it costed me only 1/4th of a single TSW route, it has things in the Steam workshop, including some Japanese DMUs and routes, and for me it's always more fun playing with diesel locos and DMUs than single handle electric stuff.

 

DRS is a decent little game and gets constant updates. I love the content matter as well.

 

It stops them being able to add frame generation and the latest versions of FSR as it drastically changes the code base. It's been said many times that they have to develop everything for the lowest system version they want to use.

It's more about the core game being able to run on low end systems, not the routes being made and scales back.

 

My only issue with DRS is that the route editor doesn’t support real world terrain or mapping data import. Otherwise once you get your head round it, quite nice to work with.

 

My main issue with DRS are the fictional routes.

 

As noted above, I have suggested repeatedly to the developer that having real world data import would massively expand the route building potential but has fallen on stony ground.

 

I believe FSR is just a plugin to UE4 available on the Unreal Marketplace, not a drastic code change.

 

It is when coding it into console builds.

 

Just out of curiosity, what does a modern TOD4 route look like on a gen8 console compared to High/Max settings on a PC?

 

PC low settings.

 

This is going to be my weekend project, since we get the first storm of the autumn this year and I can't work in my garden ...

 

...With unacceptably poor framerates and models/textures not loading in correctly.

 

I still don't understand how passenger behaviour can be so inconsistent. I got TSW 5 and the first thing I did was continue with a saved journey on West Somerset. Passengers were getting on and off the train at each stop, using more than one door along the carriages.

Then I started journey mode on the new Frankfurt – Fulda... And so far, in each chapter, the train is packed full of passengers from the start, and that's how it remains on both ends of the run. Nobody gets on, nobody gets off.

 

On the run I did with Flixtrain, there was no one on my train at the start and no one boarded at the intermediate station. Effectively ran empty stock.

 

They just can't afford the tickets these days.

 

I remember back in the late 60’s or early 70’s, “when I were a lad”, there was a cheap train from the North East to London. Think it was called The Highwayman. However the caveat was it terminated at Finsbury Park, not Kings Cross. And I bet it didn’t get a Deltic for power, more like a Class 40 or maybe a Duff hauling some run down Mark Ones.

 

Before my time, but I am certain from Class 40 archives it was a booked 40 turn.

 

Certainly sounds plausible. Unfortunately as my parents weren’t that well off, they rarely used the train to travel anywhere so trips via London to visit relatives in the south used to be by coach. I always kicked up a bit of a fuss, but funny how your perception changes - I would pay good money now for a 7 hour thrash along the A1/M1 in a United Automobiles RELH coach with that glorious Gardner engine and transmission singing!

 

I belive that dovetail.should have done more testing on gen 8 console before realse of the game am getting annoyed with the constant crashing each time i play sometimes am glad am not playing it this should have been looked at before realse and it should be playable this an embrassing realse. Ive also just found out the wcml 1972 stock is available on bakerloo why cant the 377/2 be available on eastcoastway or bml as substuition


Also dovetaill are lazy developers ive seen clapham juction on bmi and half of the station is missing yes i get its not used but even rivet have the whole of edinburgh in game come on dtg up your game

 

Though I agree with your statement, TSW5 will be the last entry for Gen 8 support. Sony will cease supporting the console at the start of 2025. People will need to start putting in some thought into buying a Gen 9 console soon or get left behind when it comes to new content.

 

"We've had to make some difficult decisions based on the capabilities of the hardware - we'd seen a lot of performance issues with all the content included on WCML, so we've had to remove them in order for the content to run. It's been our #1 priority as we've got closer to release. This sort of route is very performance intensive with the extra traffic, and we were finding that the Gen8 experience was less than acceptable with the content we've subsequently removed present in it."

 

I was more referring to the person who said drop gen 8 without saying reasons why.

 

Last weekend I atempted to play TSW 5, but was pretty fast frustrated about the routes and missing connections. That got me thinking about solutions on how to connect routes.
What I would love to happen is, that DTG offers a connection package. For example the two Dresden routes could be connected. Yes there must be a new timetable, for some routes there is an extension needed and/or a change in era. Of course this must be a paid addon just because of the work that has to go into it. So the conditions could be that one has to own the routes and with this addon you would connect the two routes getting in fact a complete new route. Am I making sense?

 

this is something DTG has said is impossible for years. the timetable and era being the biggest problem. a connection package on TSC like RSSLO did for München to Vienna connecting about 5 routes together I think I learned recently only works if you buy the routes from them and not through steam. I think route hopping is throwing a band aid on a gunshot wound. and allthough it is cool. the already mentioned problems still exist.

With the threads about problems with saving and reloading games (I don't know I barely use it) I think there is some more to do before a big connected world is possible. So however cool. I think we are a few years from seeing it happen, although, I think it will be possible. and I appreciate DTG trying. Railways are varied and it's difficult to make something work for everyone to enjoy.

 

I think a few years is sadly optimistic. It took them 5-6 years just to acknowledge that save games caused permanent red aspects and fixed that one issue. So unless they have a major dev team expansion and/or refresh, I think it's much further out than a few years.

Of course, I'm saying all these things like this, or that the dev team isn't up to scratch, in the hopes that it pushes them to prove me wrong

 

Maybe making two timetables for WCML on gen8 that allow to play also the 377/2, 72 stock and class 66 in one timetable, the second timetable for 350 and 390 hope will help to have all layers playable also on gen8

 

oh yeah I'm optimistic in hoping it will even see daylight. my estimate was for if they started working on it now. however I fully expect that route hopping with all it's issues will stay as the "solution" however a player can dream of the possibilities like driving a full RJ service from München to Wien one day.

 

at this point we might as well go back to unbranding stuff. I just want more tractions.

 

For the 56’s BR Blue and the 60’s BR Sector livery. In fact even a Class 70 would look good in BR Blue or Railfreight livery.

 

Spot on
They shouldn't be left out.
That's from a pc owner.

 

and class 90 in (unbranded?) freightliner livery. Class 91 in intercity swallow livery. Surely ex privation liveries doesnt need to get licensed now does it?

 

No, because they're not owned by anyone except the government. A license is needed still, but easier to get that way.

 

actually has this been already done with some other liveries like BR blue and liveries that are used during the BR era Sectorisation era?

 

The 56 is one that baffles me as to why they havent bothered and the 60 to some extent, the 56 could be on practically every UK route. Even now they still get about. The 60 is similar, but no have another 66 fans.

 

I don't know the ins and outs of it, but I believe the BR InterCity brand and livery is now owned by LSL?

 

Licenced from the DfT I think not owned.

 

Enough is enough!

As reported in the appropriate feedback threads it appears the DTG coders once again broke the save game.

Twice now I have been unable to restart a passenger service after saving at a station stop. First on Koln to Aachen with a 442 which would not take power. Second yesterday evening with a 350, stopped at Hemel with passenger loading in progress. Resuming the game I was prompted to open the doors which were already open. Couldn’t open or close with any method to eliminate the stuck objective message. In both instances a physics reset was no help.

I suppose we had better be circumspect as last time we complained about the save game, DTG expediently fixed it by removing the feature entirely. In the meantime my advice is, if you insist on playing this pile of crud and need to save the game, don’t do it at a station.

But I for one am getting a bit cheesed off having paid the not inconsiderable sum of £54 for TSW5 to find this ongoing stuttering, juddering bug infested mess in front of me. Remind me next year not to jump in with both feet for TSW6. Also seriously considering just how much more money I sink into this pile of dung until it’s properly fixed and that’s even starting to include the JT WCML route, if the core platform is so unstable.

Enough really is enough.

 

This issue is as old as save game feature in TSW itself.

Might be that you're aware about this, but the workaround I found for this issue is not to save game at stops (stations) during passengers load/unload. Just wait for this few additional seconds and save just right after you close the doors and start moving. It works fine for me all the time.

 

Not for me. I have always been able to save at stations and resume without issue, until these latest TSW5 patches. The only previous issue is the well documented being unable to save reliably if you have chained another run by returning to free roam rather than back to the main menu.

 

I would have been day one for the JT but the judders are right back in the game. I haven't bothered with the save mind much but may just get the AP 87 and run it on the RSC route.

 

Saving at stations has been working fine for me.

I don't think any user, of any software, should become satisfied with a workaround. We should keep pushing the developer to fix their problems.

As he got the permanent red signal bug fixed in the save game before, I'm sure DTG Matt will agree with me on that.

 

oh and not to mention (maybe again if it hasnt already). Enough with the 66 already i want to stop paying them. DTG is just making the situation worse by adding more variants.

 

Don't think there's much dtg can do if that's the only loco they are allowed to make. It depends on licensing and access at the end of the day and I wouldn't be surprised if it's restricted to the 66