Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! 3 Year Anniversary

Nah just means his glass is twice as big as it needs to be

 

I always find it an oddity when a 500ml bottle of beer actually fills a pint glass...

Anyhow back to our regular scheduled entertainment. Looks like DTG have lived up to expectations with the TSW6 content patch and reports coming in it actually broke things even more. Focus need to be giving them more than an improvement plan, a rocket under the behind seems more appropriate at this point.

 

Well, it might be a save game thing, but I've been playing with train faults, etc., set to normal frequency (oh yes, I did buy it after all, having found the deluxe version heavily discounted) and found the events to be infrequent. Installed the patch today, loaded up my save game part way through a journey on the Riviera line and then had diesel engine failure every few seconds, getting worse closer to the last station.

I'll need to try again on a fresh run, not from a save.

 

I just had a similar experience with the 294. So pulled the shutters down on TSW6 for now, got some catching up to do in Snowrunner and Farm Sim 25 anyway. Maybe they'll get it sorted by sometime next week, or better still roll the patch back.

Then they have the brass b@lls to post marketing threads trying to persuade us to buy yet more £30 when they can't even fix the existing stuff without making a hapless mess of it.

 

So I've just gone back to journey mode on Riviera, not resuming from save. The moment I started moving away from the first station, I had the diesel engine failure again.

I'll try a different route now, but so far it looks like this patch has completely bodged the new feature that for me was working well before.

 

from the latest patch notes, it seems the 802 diesel mode has yet to be fixed...
fantastic... -_-

 

Hello OP Here....... i cannot believe my thread is still going So nice to see with today's launch that nothing has changed whatsoever lol!!! Am i shocked??? Not in the slightest....

 

I think its safe to say its gone rather downhill

 

Something something appropriate metaphor.

 

I say the most surprising part about this thread is the fact it’s not be locked by the mods

 

It's too big to lock. Locking this thread would have a massive impact on the TSW forums.

This thread is a major hub for anything to complain about in the game, which the customer has every right to do so.

 

There have been a couple of warnings, but in general people have behaved themselves in this thread.

 

Nothing has changed. My prediction about TSW lifespan being only 1 year came true.

 

There's a vicious cycle with this game, not a simulator. Players get excited for future releases, release a broken DLC, say they'll fix it, release another DLC, and so on, until the next version's annual release. Core improvements are mentioned on the roadmaps, but it seems to get worse.

I was expecting more announcements; I don't even care about random events. When it comes to the core, the best updates were the Map and I think that's it, not even greater Layer control to disable some trains on certain routes.

Has anyone noticed that the Pendolino, even on southbound services, has the first-class pantograph raised?

I still can't get over the fact that we had to wait a year for NEC New York Trenton to be ok.

I wish they'd focus more on quality than quantity, fix old bugs, and release new DLCs in good condition. Because, as things stand, no matter how much DLC is requested, the hype becomes a concern. NY - Trenton, WCML South, Frankfurt - Whatever.

 

Well, people still buying, so why stop? I think we have a two fold problem with TSW atm. The core has fundamental problems. We as the customers expect fixing at least with a new major release but they just bolt new "features" onto it and not adress the problems. Secondly they release a lot of DLCs. And there is a lot of light but equally a lot of darkness. And what I don't get it the push of wrong builds. If this happens so often as in the last 12 month, someone at DTG is not learning from mistakes.

 

Well the release of Birmingham to Crewe (if you disregard the incompetent flunkey who pushed the wrong build to consoles) sums up everything that is wrong with DTG and TSW at present. We have a very keen third party who do look to have built a solid route apart from a few object issues, but would appear struggled with how to make it work. When AABS presented the route to DTG with the incomplete timetable data, glaring errors in the running time predictions there should have been a polite but firm, “No, this is not up to the required standard for a £30 DLC, go back and fix it and we’ll find you a new release slot in xx weeks time.” A bit of in depth testing at DTG would also possibly have spotted the AI SPAD’s which appear to be ruining some runs. We know from SoS it took the EP working in his spare time a year to identify and resolve the cause. Again it’s no small problem if a number of runs, particularly in Journey, can’t be completed for that reason.

So instead of running around like excited kindergarteners at the sight of a new route and donning the silly pink headphones, DTG should be taking a much more professional and cautious role when it comes to the oversight and signing off on third party content. Then again, we have seen them rubber stamp everything Rivet do and the utter garbage that was the Athena Railtour pack so either they just see the £££ signs, publish and be damned or they really haven’t got a clue on quality control.

 

Makes one wonder how contracts between DTG and 3rd parties are drawn up regarding quality assurance and support.
Seems like some 3rd parties took their money and ran. And even disbanded themselves, so there is nobody to fix bugs.

Who legally owns a DLC? In part, when DTG supplied the assets and trains and 3rd party only built the route? Or in full like when opening up a new country and every asset had to be built from scratch?

When the 3rd party took every source 3D model away, there is little DTG can do to improve it?

And we, paying customers, are left with another piece of crippled abandonware.

 

Even old DTG routes are abandonware, look at Rapid Transit, with the terrible sound of the BR1442 and derailment. But they espect you to buy or have this route anyway, to use it as layer on Dresden - Leipzig. I saw on youtube, the PIS on the BR1442 is not working either on Dresden - Leipzig.

The BR1442 should be included in the Dresden - Leipzig route itself with correct sounds en working PIS. Other option is to update Rapid Transit with correct sounds, working PIS for Dresden - Leipzig and bug fixes. As this is not the case, I just don't buy this recycled route.

 

Enough is definitely enough. I've gone from excitement and day 1 purchases to set my expectations low to just don't buy it. I was all set to buy Birmingham to Crewe. After the feedback I treated myself to a new Zippo instead!

I actually get more enjoyment from playing early tsw routes than the crud that's being churned out these days.

Just trains is just about the only hope that's left for this franchise.

 

train sim Germany as well both haven’t failed yet I do think and both make near perfect each time

 

Don't get me wrong I like the German content and as you say it's always done well. I have some of the older routes but tbh I got sick of seeing the same stock recycled over and over again.

 

Fair fair, honestly it’s the reason why I love TSG’s different trains

 

Professionalism is not in DTG's vocabulary.

 

They do seem to continuously shoot themselves in the foot with a gun that never runs out of bullets, yet enough dozy types with bottomless wallets continue hurling money at them. Obviously it’s up to each individual what they spend their money on of course, but I find it little short of incredulous just how many cannot control themselves by always being so trusting and buying on day 1 of a release.
It’s actually quite funny to see those same people gnashing their teeth at DTG when it’s their own blind faith that is largely causing the problem! If the money continues to pour in regardless why should they up their game?
It sure shows the power of advertising and how just putting some genial and cheery company folk in front of a camera to enthuse about the route can persuade the masses, even though often the evidence in front of their eyes urges caution.
I for one will never buy a day 1 release again, I’ll just grab my popcorn, fire up the forums and get some free entertainment!

 

Why do you find people being annoyed with a product and then getting angry on the forums entertaining? Surely if you have an interest in train simulators you wouldn't be entertained but rather depressed? It almost sounds like you enjoy seeing people ripping into a product and developers.

I don't have the route yet and will wait till the timetable is fixed but in all the noise there are many who seem to be enjoying the route and think it's very good quality.

 

I am perfectly chill thank you.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Inappropriate]

Voting with your wallet is the best way to make your discontent with the state of the game known to DTG

 

He cant its broken.

 

TSW is pretty much the very definition of feature creep, and the issue is that DTG are nowhere near skilled enough as devs to make it all work. All these new features that never get back ported and don't work properly, suspension, announcements, failures, etc.

 

Because it is nostalgic. Many of us have gone from being disappointed and angry at the constant pathetic ineptitude of DTG. We have been there for years and now feel it is far healthier to laugh at their failures rather than cry.

The problem is that DTG have a near 100% record of botching up new releases and taking forever to fix their own mistakes if they are not just brushed under the carpet and forgotten.

If I was to actually become "depressed" at DTG's foul ups I would need to be on a constant high dosage of Prozac.

Nobody enjoys seeing a product being ripped into but sometimes it is gratifying to see it happen when it is fully justified and deserved.

These "problematic releases" are not rare occasions. They happen with every version release and with practically every new route.

The level of utter ineptitude is inexcusable and should never be tolerated. People have every right to make their feelings of disgust clear as they actually pay the wages of those who make this clearly sub standard faulty product.

The tragedy is we want to pay for this product but expect it to reach a certain quality level to justify the fairly high price. It does NOT achieve that so we rightly complain.

The main entertainment is provided by people who try and defend the indefensible and seem unable to understand that people will not pay for a constantly failing product.

The laughter comes from the often daft and desperate excuses that some will throw out to defend DTG's repeated failings. To those folk I say keep it up, it is all good for the LOLs.

 

Yes, it's the gift the keeps on giving. Still, it does fill the time while I wait for routes to be fixed and discounted before I buy them.

I have learnt that with TSW you must be very disciplined, set your expectations low, and wait for stuff to be discounted at least 80% That way you don't feel disappointed or ripped off.

 

Probably promoted to the beta team!

 

I didn't buy TSW 6 on day 1. Kept my promise to myself. I thought I'll wait until the routes are heavily discounted down the line. A couple of days later I indeed found the deluxe edition heavily discounted to the extent that it's cheaper than I'm likely to find each individual piece of DLC for a very long time, or probably ever (Niddertalbahn has never dropped below £20, I don't think), so I still ended up buying it.

And I'm enjoying it, as I usually do overall, but of course I'm not surprised by the mess that followed, like the patch that made train faults happen every 1-10 seconds.

If we give them at least some money, instead of only using the free version, there is hope they will invest the money in experienced human resource from the wider developer community.

Right?

 

Taps the "no personal attacks" sign.

There's a reason this thread has avoided being locked thus far.