Enough Is Enough!!!

True, my whole idea of stuff like this is that it's pointless, as long as there are thousands of jets in the sky, all these factories in places like china and of course all the forests being chopped down in the first place, that is where the real issue lies. What you decide to do with some paper isn't going to change anything at the end of the day.

 

Thats the correct point here! People they say "im waiting for a sale" its not really relevant. I think this addon will take a long time before it will in sale. They have already written that this product is in price to low in comparison with the amount of work.

 

Sorry a little dumb logical explanation i think....

When Shell is waste 1000l of oil thats a good excuse to waste more in your'e own environment...

 

Yes, you as a manufacter can decide if prices are subject to negotiations, or fixed (+ the regular sales). If you choose so, you can release your software as donationware for example, but that's not how you can run a company producing DLC for a few thousand players, not millions that allow a lower price per DLC.

 

Not only that: Smartphones don't grow on trees, they have to be produced. And that leaves quite an energy and environment footprint behind. Let alone the toxic time bomb a cell phone becomes when you want to get rid of it.

If you think it through ......... E2E, that is.

From: https://www.goodtech.co.nz/blogs/news/how-much-energy-does-it-take-to-make-an-iphone

 

It's not really about dictating prices, it's more about making a game as appealing as possible to as many as possible. After all, the more you get on board, the more money you make. And no, I'd never complain about the price of anything in a supermarket because I know that they've adopted the self same policy (albeit on a grander scale) that cheaper the prices mean more customers walking through their doors, so I won't get a better deal elsewhere.
At the end of the day it's just a common sense approach of competitively pricing things to increase their level of appeal. At £14.99 I would definitely give this new train a try because it introduces a whole new experience that's kind of worth the will I get on with it / won't I get on with it risk. At 30 though, no. It's too much of a gamble

 

As I said, be sure DTG has a team that has actual numbers . They are offering sales on a regular basis, and as much as people want to have everything cheap, it's just not working (and would lead to a market devoid of any products eventually, because of getting unattractive for developers. I am convinced this is the first and last Expert loco for TSW, because you can sell stuff with a lot less amount of work involved.)

To assume we know better than DTG who managed to grow and survive in the brutal Entertainment Industry is a bit, presumptuous imho.

I'm happy that thanks to Raph' and cwf.green, people are getting some insight into the development process and some even starting to appreciate it. And finally, appreciation is not about giving Likes, but giving your money for the product. Money in exchange for time the devs took, while they could have spent their time on developing something cheap for the masses.

And halving the price will not double the customers. For most people there's no point in train simulations (just running along a preset path, only controlling the speed at which you're doing it and basically just watching landscapes? No steering? What is this about?)

 

There already exists one: high iron simulations but they are a while off from creating their first route. Remember it took 3rd party devs over a year to make a single route.

Many teams exist in tsc but many are not interested or it's not financially beneficial to them.

There's people using the editor however but even that is a lot of work. All we can do is wait and hope something can happen.

 

We’ve just got some major breaking news here from the recent dovetail article.

The dovetail direct, could be featuring, 6! YES 6 new routes to showcase.

this direct is going to be massive.

 

You're correct, I don't know better than DTG because that's not my line of work....but as a gamer I absolutely do know that you can successfully take an ultra-niche product into the mainstream if that's where you want your product to go. You only need to look at Farming Sim and Spintires to see what's possible with a product that nobody in their right mind would ever have believed could generate such high levels of appeal. The only difference between them and TSW is that DTG have chosen to lock their prices in such a way that only the dedicated few will ever show a lasting interest in their product.

If that's their aim then hat's off to them, they've done an excellent job ensuring that, going forward, 'through the nose' will be their only pricing policy.

 

Thats great news and a large amount.

 

Counting down the seconds, is there 6 One handle EMUs left to do....?

 

pinxtonpaws

The games mentioned are nowhere as deep as a train simulator. No signalling network - which is the very core of the game - and no emulation of real circuitry. And no depicting of real life environments, being under scrutiny of nitpickers "that signal is 2 metres off!".

Economy sims are very easy to do. Just look at the few lines of source code for one of the first text economy sims, Hamurabi. All that followed is based on the same principle, enhanced by 3D models, which can either be bought or self developed.

A different example is "ReEntry - An Orbital Simulator", simulating the US space program. The Gemini, Mercury and Apollo craft are nearly 100% simulated, a level of complexity not to be found in any other simulation, down to programming the Apollo computer yourself, using its verb/noun system (instruction/data).

This is only possible because the author doesn't do it for profit but passion, having the funds due to having been a leading software engineer at Microsoft previously. And nothing is as well documented as the US space program.

Amazing that each switch actually has its function.


You're guided by comprehensive real life checklists

 

According to epic db, TSW5 is scheduled to be £50 for the standard edition.

that’s £10 more expensive than tsw4 standard.

 

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Thats 4999$ and not pounds.... Its "USD"
That means its the same price as last year TSW4

 

Doesn't the currency code = USD on that screenshot mean that's the $ price and not £?

 

Yes, USD

this is 50 USD which is the same as last year

My bad

 

" including the 6 new routes that were added " -DTG.

Can this really be true? There have never been that many new routes announced at one time before.

I hope it's not a mis- statement. Of course we don't know the timeline for these new routes, could be stretched over a year or more.

But I'm surprised more astonishment isn't being expressed on the forum.

 

Quality > Quantity.
6 half finished routes no thanks.

 

I think that, given the circumstances, it could actually be a simple update (sold at full price)... The announcement of so many contents that I'd define as "post release" (i.e. expected in the following months), makes me think of a similar approach to TSC. If it will call TSW2025, it could be plausible! Furthermore, it certainly doesn't mean that it's all DTG's work. In my opinion, in there are all the new 3rd parties contents.
EDIT- Hey... Page 114?

Renfe Avant 114 (New Pendolino series)

 

yes, that's what I think too, tsw will be the new tsc

 

Six new routes, eh.

I wonder if one of them will be the Bermuda Railway (or Lochaber Narrow Gauge, now there’s an interesting prototype).

 

Well, the 3rd party routes are listed individually on the Roadmap, so perhaps they should have used a word like " upcoming " instead of " new " to describe these 6 routes.

To me it's very ambiguous.

 

Things have now taken a turn for the pretty serious now.


We potentially have a leaked release date here…

ill say no more, as I don’t want to get in trouble for leaking too much

 

Yep can confirm this is legit

Looks like the 17th September is the release date

 

Amazing how one can not even print out a few documents on paper anymore without being questioned.

If anyone really is that bothered about it, send over some giftcards needed for an iPad, and I'll stop using paper, lmao

 

TSW really is one of the worst kept secrets. Why on earth don't DTG just move up the big announcement, their timing frankly sucks when the information (minus the NDA breach and the bragged about Tring artwork from the Rivet subcontractor) seems to start getting spread around in publicly viewable places.

 

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Agreed. It's personally silly overall.

 

Also according to epicDB the price for TSW 5 will be $50 or £40 same as TSW 4

 

Incase hordes of rival train sims chose to release their own efforts in the mean time. Or its so WIP that what's shown may have to be altered or cancelled at the last minute.

 

It makes sense to keep it secret. WIP reveals are not treated well by this community, just as FifeCircle is still being judged by its wrong build version presentation. Stirring drama is admittedly the "thing" of some in here.

 

" It's not me who can't keep a secret. It's the people I tell that can't. "

-- Abraham Lincoln.

 

Well I suppose at least it provides a bit of sport with the speculation. Here's a few more unlikely candidates from me...
Australia - Puffing Billy
Yugoslavia - Historic narrow gauge from Mostar to Dubrovnik.
Peru - zigzagging up to Huancayo.
Norway - across the Bergenbahn.
Spain - the line that was never built, now the Jara Greenway.
India - Darjeeling Himalaya or Kangra Valley Line.

 

No one says "6 core routes". It can be like 3 core routes + 0-1 for deluxe edition + 2-3 just an announcement(WIP). Some of them may be remastered versions of the old ones.
Personally, I don't believe in releasing 6 new routes at the same time.

 

There were already 3 unnamed routes on the roadmap before the 5 pieces of 'new content', which we expected to be TSW5's 3 routes and 2 locos for the deluxe, so there being 6 new routes on the stream was already known.

Now if they give us all 6 DTG produced routes in some kind of Ultimate bundle for a discounted price I will be very happy.

 

No secret that is shared between more than two persons is safe, with its security being lowered exponentially the more people are involved. Even the Mafia with their strict and deadly code of honour fell prone to "traitors".

 

Train Sim Community Did a bit of research about luminaires, turns out…


Remember our good old friend Jane Whittaker from skyhook? He’s in luminaries, as well as 2 more ex skyhook employees

I’ll leave it at that, before I get scoulded.

 

Other games get leaks before the actual reveal like call of duty but it doesn't move up the announcement.

 

It’s not so much the NDA breach, which was unforgivable, but the known reveals like the Epic database being updated. Surely DTG should be savvy enough to work around and in advance of that, or maybe they do get a secret thrill watching us all trying to unravel what they’re up to.

 

My moneys on,

West Lancashire light railway in full with one loco.

Birmingham International Monorail.

Llandudno Junction to Llandudno, with 12.99 TFW 158 layer to come out in at least one year.

Remastered Cane Creek with correct coloured plants but it's £29.99 for the 2 years of work to do it and 10 employees.

Plymouth to Saltash with reliveried 80whatever.

Cromer to Sheringham with Flirt using class 101 dmu sounds.

 

ROFLOL.
You forgot the Stourbridge Town branch with the Parry People mover. mastery awarded for doing 20 consecutive round trips without getting dragged off to the looney bin.

 

Take my money now, I wish I was an ambassador so I could get the fererro rochet etc

 

Can you elaborate? What was/when was this? I must've missed something.

 

What is luminaries please? I know skyhook is 3rd party developer of UK routes, is luminaries something similar?

 

See page 112 of this topic.

 

God help us if rivet are making WCML

 

Luminaries is a different new third party.

 

Impossible, DTG know the risks of that.

rivet will most likely be going stations nothing more, nothing less

 

Never heard of them lol