Enough Is Enough!!!

Agreed. Lots of good laughs when people wonder why so many things are broken when buying on day one. Well, actually I feel sorry for newcomers as they don't know any better. Veterans of the game though...

 

Also it looks like we've reached the magic 35 pager. I guess we wait and see whether DTG finally agrees that enough is enough

 

its never enough ...

 

Certainly a lot of patronising going on in this thread, that is for certain.

 

Target rich environment..

 

Yes, but a bit of fire discipline would be appreciated.

 

Yup for the last time, there will be no TSW5 here. I didn't buy TSW3, but was stupid enough to get 4.
TSC is far more fun and satisfying. So are Run8, Trainz, Simrail and Diesel Railcar Sim.
People going on about constructive criticism. I don't actually feel constructive about TSW4.
Like some fool on the ukts forum years ago. Told me not to post at all, if it wasn't constructive.
I will post what i like as long as it adheres to forum rules and the moderators do not sanction my posts.
That is the real world, not some rose tinted version of reality.

 

If those games are more fun and satisfying for you, isn't your time wasted with TSW?

 

No just people who think they occupy some superior moral high ground, all over a game, which is bizarre. Treating those who don't sit on your "side of the fence" with disdain is hardly going to garner that much support.

 

Those people exist in real life too and you have to deal with it.

But, I don't see any higher moral in here other than to be free to voice your opinion.

I'll reduce mine to this: TSW could be a great game if DTG wouldn't permanently sabotage it themselves. Read the reports. If I was an Xbox player I'd take legal action.

 

You probably wouldn't get far with that.

You'd probably be ridiculed for continuing to buy content for a bugged game.

 

Did you think I was being serious?
I wasnt.

 

Not talking about bugs, but a game crashing a console which specs are known is a whole different story. They should at least give each Xbox player a free DLC as a sign of goodwill. Legal action because of rain in tunnels would be silly, agreed

 

I agree, some sort of compensation, especially seeing as the workaround they've told us can't work for everyone.

 

It is hard to tell who is being serious and who isn't, sometimes.

 

Nah. Knowing them they'd probably give all TSW3 users a free copy of a TSW4 exclusive route....along with a link to the Xbox TSW4 store page and a (ps) to remind everyone to give it a favourable review with lots of stars.

 

Yes, I recommend LGV or some other route that almost everybody already owns.

 

I have a feeling that'd probably be the case:

"As compensation for the trouble you have experienced, please accept this DLC which came with the base game anyway."

 

They've included that route in the £90 bundle......even though it was free not so long ago.

 

My condolences for your recent purchase.

 

DTG had a shot at preventing this thread from becoming schadenfreude central. All they needed to do was not have any major bugs in TSW4 like it crashing every single user on one particular console. Unfortunately, a consequence of that was always going to be some users having a laugh at others' expense for the trust they showed.

I feel bad for everyone whose trust and investment was not rewarded, but recognise that certainly among forum users many of them did bring it on themselves going into this with eyes open, and I can understand some folks who were being derided for being naysayers might want to take a bit of that out now we have hindsight, even if it's not necessarily always directed at the same people who were dismissive of their concerns pre-launch.

 

Well Princess.. that is your opinion and you are entitled to it

 

It could be that we want a better quality of product and are vocal in that desire.
To argue against wanting a better quality of product with the primary argument being that the individual concerned is satisfied is an odd position to take, as the benefits of a better quality of product will be felt by those people too.
No intention to patronise included by the way.

 

Sales have been poor, about the same amount of people, at least on steam, are playing 3 as they are playing 4, they are going to lose a ton of money from DLC sales via gamepass, I wonder how DTG are going to turn this ship around.......

 

More would buy it as it isn't on gamepass. You can't cheapskate with it like TSW3

 

I think the sales figures would prove otherwise in the end.
TSC and TSW3 are both out performing TSW4 on steam, by a fair margin, Focus are not going to like that.
Expect a deep sale, heck even an appearance on gamepass, in the near future.

 

Thats steam though. Where are the numbers for console??

 

Are they available anywhere? I have no idea..

 

Rapid Transit!!

 

i doubt xbox numbers would be high. a controversial release followed by taking it off gamepass & making it more expensive to get. surely less people would be playing after that?

 

Plus, XBox tends to be fairly no questions asked about refunds. So there's a solid chance a lot of people bought it, it kept crashing, and they refunded it.

 

Must admit after my initial enthusiasm for 4 the glitz has worn off.
ECML gave us a moderately interesting route but with one of the most boring trains to drive since the 1442 in RT.
Vorarlberg a nice route but another identikit German style EMU.
AVL again nice scenery but up and down commuter operation 50% from a cab car.
Flying Scotsman is a poor imitation of an actual steam loco.
The Vectron is nice but it won’t layer on to older routes other than DRA.

The editor has left most of us scratching our heads, no instructions and it appears half the functionality is disabled. Buggy and crashy as hell.

Still got the awful adaptive lighting which blighted 3 and someone at DTG is too set in their ways to admit it should be adjustable or toggleable. Doesn’t really add much to the existing back catalogue of routes in terms of improvements, apart from the gimmick of free roam.

I have actually postponed adding TSW4 to the PS5 in addition to the PC as it doesn’t really seem worth spending another £30 or £40 on it.

Maybe the Blackpool route will redeem things.

Don’t misunderstand, I still enjoy TSW but the last few evenings I’ve found myself over in SimRail, enjoying traction with decent sounds, a huge networked route with a variety of different services and even had a smile at some of the banter on Team Speak.

 

I feel the same, Vern.

Just installed SimRail and started the 185 tutorial and damn these sounds are spot on.

And concerning the editor, it's very clear to see that it is a modified general purpose UE4 editor, and things that are easily done in TSC's tailor made editor are incredibly complicated on TSW. I am now even more convinced that TSW will never see the content variety TSC has which is still galloping away.

TSW is hindered by its own design concept imho.

 

I've been dithering over whether to get simrail because I mainly enjoy UK stuff but I think you might have just nudged me off the fence..

 

Glad you're enjoying it. The EU07/EP08 can be tricky to drive as you need to manage both the tap wheel and the shunt converter, all without blowing out the MCB! But those sounds are sweet when you are purring along in Notch 43 with 2 or 3 levels of shunt active. And you actually feel a sense of achievement driving it rather than the one handle trains in TSW. I just hope their development doesn't stall and that the promised EN57 and steam loco appear and of course it could do with a diesel or two.

Although I'm not a huge fan of MP it does mean every run is slightly different. Yesterday evening I was stopped at a location while the DS was either away from his PC or figuring out what to do. That made me 10' late so at the next location I then got looped for the following Pendolino to overtake! Good stuff.

The other huge challenge is taking a spot in one of the signalboxes. Done a little bit during the public beta period and a couple of sessions in one of the smaller locations since. But those NX panels are a challenge and real head scratcher, definitely not one to try on EN1 as your first attempt!

 

Here lies the problem that everyone was trying to drive home. It's all well and good having three shiny new routes and a bunch of feature upgrades, but when the novelty of that stuff wears off (which will be twice as quick for those who aren't particularly interested in the creative side of things), you're kind of back to square one....lamenting over glitchy content and waiting patiently for fixes to arrive. Sure, you will purchase the Blackpool route and doubtless enjoy it, but again, when that novelty wears off then guess what? Back you go to square one until the next £30 investment arrives.

It's a sorry and incredibly expensive cycle that, for me, stopped been "fun" when TSW2 and it's content was replaced with TSW3.

 

Well for me the editor was one of the main selling points and has been a huge disappointment.

It doesn't even have an uninstall entry in Add/Remove Programs, nor does the UE base editor. Have had to manually delete all the folders in Windows Explorer.

 

You need to uninstall it via Epic Launcher I think.

 

What? You can't uninstall it?

 

See above, looks like the solution. As it stands I just deleted the folders, uninstalled TSW4 (on the laptop, not the main PC) and reclaimed about 200Gb of HD space.

 

You should still remove it via Epic Launcher - you can of course manually remove Steam games by just deleting the folders, but it's generally best to remove them from their respective launcher clients first (might be redownloading else)

 

In fairness though, Matt is always pretty clear, that the learning curve for the TSW editor is steep. Just another point for me that this offer atm is not for me.

 

It is definitely worth giving a shot, even if Polish trains are not your focus (my case as well), it's initial package is not expensive (and will get some extra content for free towards the end of the year), so it's a nice way to see if you like it or not. I miss some of the movement freedom from TSW, render distance needs improvement, etc., but it sounds amazing, the drive feels a lot nicer (camera being more in sync with the loco and the whole loco swinging, something TSW is probably on a way to sort of imitate with that yet-to-release suspension), service selection is really varied and even in MP you can pick driver-only servers and pretty much ignore the whole MP factor if you want. It definitely has potential.

 

Yes, the novelty is certainly wearing a bit thin with TSW4. I've played with the new routes and locos and gotten some pleasure from them, but, frankly, ECML bores the pants off me and Voralberg is a lot like driving yet another " red box electric ", somewhat saved by the scenery. AVL is more engaging and is the one I'll return to going forward.

But I find myself gravitating back to the older routes like SPG, NTP and, especially, the " new " NYT ( the principal reason I went for TSW4, as I don't expect it to be updated in TSW3 ). I'm eagerly anticipating the JT route for its older traction.

I won't touch the editor until it's fully documented and, even then, I'm not expecting to go beyond some simple scenario creation, as I did in TSC. To be honest, from what I'm hearing, it might be above my pay grade.

 

Thanks Mionder, I appreciate the insights! Definitely food for thought then and I see its currently on sale too. OK then, Im in I'll give it a blast although I suspect the learning curve will be steep!

 

Just popped back in to this thread to see that it somehow has over 1700 posts...

 

Sorry for small off-topic, but as you mentioned it I have a question (I don't own SimRail):
Is this clearly explained, how to drive these locos, in a manual/user guide or via in-game tutorials, or you had to master it by yourself (or by looking on SimRail forum for guidelines how to operate it)?

Exactly my feeling about this route, when I watched the stream: beautiful scenery, but for the ride itself - I can have (probably) exact same experience on one of the other German routes.

 

In yesterdays stream I had the epiphany about the real improvements from TSW3 to 4. He compared the scenery from Peninsula Corridor with the new routes and there DTG has a point. They have really improved A LOT!

but here comes the big BUT.
Was it worth to sell everybody who wanted the new routes the "new" game and dealing with all the malarky with the x-box desaster, the re-downloading of all the routes, the pricing issues on steam, the new bugs on the other routes? I think not. For my part, I'm still glad I haven't bought it but I hope, for everybody it will be worth it in the end.

Quick side note: I also realised what I expect from a TSW route: Accurate sound, livery and cab. A terminated route or network. I want to experience the "world" of tsw. I want to step out of the station, I want to explore the tracks etc. And lastly a nice enviroment scenery. So the last point DTG has improved. But for now it is not enough improvement for me.

 

There are tutorials in single player for the various train types and there is a link on the SimRail forum for a guide on the finer points of cold starting and driving the EU07 etc.

 

Nope i paid my money, so i have a voice. But your time is definitely wasted, trying to tell me what to do.