Enough Is Enough!!!

While on the topic, I should mention the Denuvo DRM which DTG uses: a notorious framerate killer and r/w hog (which might be the cause of some stutters). DTG's first and easiest 'optimization' move - which would also save them some money - should be to ditch Denuvo.

 

To be clear, Denuvo's impact on software it's integrated with tends to be less on the framerates, though the hitching it causes can notably impact perceived fps, and more on frametimes, where the inconsistencies it causes lead to the stutter you see.

 

No way is that true.

 

Now superseded. BPO repurchased and so far no further issues, which is not to say there aren’t any as other reports are still coming in.

 

Found the TSW3 fixes

 

Do you know how to break through that door?

 

Don´t bother. You´ll find this:

 

Meanwhile in SimRail:

 

Yeah, but that's a PC only game. Bit of an unfair comparison.

 

What's unfair about comparing Steam TSW4 with Steam SimRail? Same platform. Are you saying TSW4 has more players because of Epic/consoles? No one debated that. The only unfair comment here is yours.

Fact: SimRail's free update made more people play than the overly-hyped TSW4 on launch day.

 

I used to be able to run LIRR and WSR without issue.

Now, the former let me run the introduction and M7 tutorial before crashing while the latter crashes before I could do anything.

 

Why would it be an unfair comparison? It is comparing the player numbers for both on Steam alone. It's not like console players suddenly buy a PC just to play Simrail while continuing to play TSW on console.

 

so, you're saying that SimRail has more players than TSW4 based on Steam, when TSW4 has people on console and PC (some on both) and SimRail doesn't.

That's where the comparison is unfair.

 

Because with TSW there's also console to consider?

 

Did you just not bother to read the rest of my post, or...?

 

What I claim is this: the peak for SimRail is higher on Steam than TSW4's peak. The rest is your imagination and false interpretation. I hope you're just a troll.

 

Do you want to say that if SimRail was available on consoles the number of players on Steam would be much lower? How?

 

As a general rule of thumb people who own both PC and consoles play multiplayer on whichever platform their friends are on, I have both but all my gaming friends are only on PlayStation so I would ditch the Steam version of anything multiplayer if they wanted to play too.

 

So I guess for TSW4 it's the same, since people play TSW in multiplayer with friends there too, right?

 

But what if SimRail has cross play once they get to consoles?

 

TSW isn't multiplayer.

 

Let's say someone owned SimRail, but their friend didn't have a PC. If SimRail came to console, then it's peak would be higher, because there's a chance that cross-play between console and PC will be there, so the two friends who couldn't play together now can. Multiply that by 3, and then you have 3 times more people playing SimRail.

In other words, SimRail's peak on Steam would be even higher because people would be able to play with their console friends; multiplayer is more appealing when you are able to play with people you know rather than random strangers.

 

Not sure where you're trying to go here because that's a completely hypothetical scenario which in no way reflects on Steam's *current* popularity of either game. If I were you I'd give up on this one because you're in deadly danger of digging yourself quite a big hole, young man

 

The mental gymnastics displayed here are quite a sight to behold.

 

And?

Why is that relevant to a TSW forum?

 

Don't worry, it's the same grief I got when I said weeks ago that neither TSW4 NOR 3 had reached the peak Steam playership as TSW2 did - and never will. "You left out consoles" - Yes, because Steam DB is the only data for playership. Just state facts and you're bound to get detractors.

 

It's apparently an indication that many turn away from TSW to other games such as SimRail, because TSW4 is *yawn* the worst.

 

We're comparing a PC only multiplayer game with a PC and console single player game. No idea why SimRail and TSW can be compared when they offer a different experience.

Now if they both offered a similar experience, and were on the same platforms, then a comparison can be made.

 

As the TSW3 fixes were prepared for release .......

 

Don't forget those for TSW2

 

Those were consigned to the flames already in the First Age

 

...or maybe people are turning away because despite many years of 'supporting the cause' they've now conceded that TSW has simply devolved into nothing more than a quantity over quality affair which is no longer deserving of continued support.
Sure, SimRail and the likes might not yet be the finished article but at least their respective developers are showing a little passion and pride in their attempts to create a better product, so where's the harm in switching your loyalty elsewhere in order to give their vision a much better chance of becoming a reality?

Given the opportunity I for one would most definitely take the gamble elsewhere because even if things don't work out as planned, it is still a far more appealing proposition to what Dovetail Games are currently offering.

 

I just think people are being over dramatic if that's the case.

There's plenty of good things about TSW, and there have been some quite good routes.

But as usual, people like to ignore anything positive about TSW and moan when others like it.

 

Everything positive comes at a cost in TSW, after each patch new reports are coming in and I feel as if I'm a constant beta tester here. Old content damaged like RRO, GWE HST, MAG timetable, the tunnel rain, a weathered livery removed from CaneCreek without an explanation, now the strange vibrations on LIRR and appearing on other routes too. I don't know any other game that constantly breaks stuff with updates, or the devs only selectively answering to some reports. That's where DTG are missing professionalism and passion.

I've spent a lot of time figuring out the wrong brake pressure display on the GP38-2, posting my findings. A good dev would at least acknowledge that in some way, the community helping the devs to iron out bugs, but they do not really care until there's a lot of pressure and uproar in here. It's coming in waves... the fishing sim community has already given up on DTG and left... because there is better fishing games out there.

Back to SimRail now , better to have a smaller selection of locos that work like they should than hundreds of flawed locos.

 

When you've been told for years that things will be fixed, and they aren't, and they release a completely unnecessary "new" version, with many of the same issues as the last one, you start to wonder who is the problem, you for wanting them to do what they promised to do, or them.
If you kick a dog enough, it will bite.
Basically, DTG have lost any good faith they've built up, no matter how many good things are in TSW4.

 

Not sure how stopping buying something because you no longer feel it's a justifiable purchase could be classed as being "over dramatic" but hey-ho, if that's how you see it then who am I to argue with your peculiar way of thinking.

Oh, and it appears you once more need reminding that people DO NOT ignore the positives within TSW (more recently, how many within this thread have made a point of commenting on the quality of Blackpool Branches?) so let's not start fixating on that old chestnut again.

 

If that were the case, I wouldn't be playing TSW on a daily basis and we wouldn't be here complaining. We are whining here all day because we do see the positives about TSW, but sadly they are always overshadowed by ridiculous issues hindering the potential of this game.

 

See you over there shortly, if I can find a server with an EN57 available!

I will still be playing TSW but even BPO lost the shine after a couple of days with constant stuttering and wondering if it's going to crash again. And TBH there are only so many times you can run the core part of the route available to the classic traction before even that starts to get a bit stale.

 

DTG just killed TSC.

 

For context.

"After an update released earlier today, we are seeing reports that Train Simulator Classic, and any additional add-on content available through Steam, will be uninstalled and the game will be unable to open."

Lol

 

An update breaking something in their game. They never change

 

??? Explain, please?

 

This company is ridiculous, lol... I have never seen such an incompenent bunch.

 

You know if most people in this thread put as much effort into reporting bugs through the tracker, or providing helpful feedback as they do into bitching and moaning maybe things could get better, but no, you seem to have the impression that the more you LOVE (i love the autocorrect there. tip: word rhymes with titch) and throw your toys out of the pram the more you seem to think things will change, i don't know about anyone else but i was brought up to treat others how i wished to be treated myself, there is a simple answer to this entire thread, you don't like it don't buy it.

Take Care
Gary

<Sits back with popcorn waiting for the keyboard warriors reply's>

 

Have you even read the previous 44 pages of this thread?

 

No thanks. I had my few years share of writing tickets, reporting issues and waiting a year for fixes. Writing tickets to their support is about as useful as writing it on a small piece of paper and throwing it in the trash.

 

Oh joy, another alter ego joins the conversation.
Swiftly moving on....

 

I'd love to buy TSW4 with free roam and minimal hud but, I'm scared. Scared of the demons being unleashed onto a reasonably functioning game called TSW3.
I've even considered turning off auto update on my PS5 incase some dodgy 'fix' comes down the line(if possible).
Being honest here. I like the JT route, and 4 is on sale, but it ain't about dosh.

 

Most people in this thread have all probably reported plenty of bugs over the years. Bugs that still aren't fixed.