Enough Is Enough!!!

Some interesting views on the GOBLIN. Personally, as someone who doesn’t get the time to play long routes, a decent short A-B is fine, and I will get value out of it. Knowing the route though and DTG well, means my expectations are tempered currently, I won’t be holding my breath for an amazing route.
Very disappointed to hear that there are no announcements too.

 

Even in your case you could still have a network A-B, A-C, A-D, etc. and in each session you can have a different experience. Limited time or not you run 710 there and back, one or two freights and that's it.

 

Ys if Goblin had included the NLL and (maybe) joined with an extended Bakerloo/Watford DC Line would have been a whole bunch of different 40 to 50 minute runs without getting burned out on the same monotonous A to b and back again grind.

But as we have seen with the steam situation, there seems to be zero interest or "moxie" at DTG whoever green lights these projects to push the envelope and say let's go the extra distance and make something that will really shine. "That'll do" seems to be the complacency that has replaced drive and innovation.

 

But we thought similar to that for the 700 on SEHS being a prelude to something bigger for the summer release. Which again didn't materialise

 

Yeah there’s plenty of things in TSW that could do so much more than they do. DTG don’t really do things for the sake of further potential, just on the spot sales.

 

A variety of wagons passing me doesnt make it more interesting.. its still being dragged by a 66.
AI makes stuff interesting when you run alongside it or share a few stations. An 801 passing over a bridge at 90 is hardly interesting.

 

I'm kind of hoping (with a very big bag of salt) that they've learned from that.

But I have a feeling they haven't.

 

I would like to see in the coming weeks after the 710 is added for DTG to go back and extend Bakerloo Line to Watford and Euston. Also if the 710 doesnt layer for whatever reason Im gonna be maddddddd

 

Getting mad isn't going to do you any good lol

 

True ill bury myself in my sorrow

 

I'd say there is pretty much 0% chance of the 710 being added the Bakerloo. They just don't tend to go back and add new stuff unless they do a major overhaul for some reason.

 

Its really sad that the community has such low expectations of a game. It should be a sign to DTG, Rivet and whoelse that they arent doing something right. But they wont realise (DTG) because they dont listen or engage with their community

 

Somebody high up in DTG is driven by profit above all else sadly. I believe many of the employees are real rail junkies and driven by their enthusiasm like us, but some person, or persons, higher up is only really interested in spreadsheets and profit graphs above all else.
For example we saw how the rebuild of WSR was driven not by the company but by one passionate individual, aided by a few others. We know that the bulk of the work was done in his own time.
I just hope this faceless higher up can see the pleasure this restoration of a route brought to loyal customers, whilst also no doubt boosting sales for the component parts such as Peak Forest etc. hence was a win-win.
My message to that CEO is to read the forums and learn what your customers really want. For once leave your spreadsheets and statistics behind and learn what the community really require from TSW4 as opposed to what just YOU want from it.

 

Absolutely this. Oh for some daring, imaginative thinking outside the narrow box of shortish, simple commuter runs with minimal or re- purposed rolling stock.

I'd like to feel the excitement and anticipation about new content I had in the early days of the game.

 

A. I’d imagine there will be lots of AI interaction as this line has the most service/frequency. So if the entire timetable is included, there will be quite a bit more AI than what you see on AV Line.

B. We are also getting a new locomotive, the Metrolink MP36, which is not a reskin of the Caltrain one but rather redone. As well as the other coaches Metrolink uses, the Bombardier cars, since Metrolink runs mixed consists of Rotem and Bombardier cars. The line also regularly sees 5 and 6 car trains, something different than the normal 4 car trains we’ve gotten on AVL.

 

Well, I defer to your better familiarity with the line. I'll be interested to see how a busy timetable is integrated into a mostly single track ROW. I suppose there are station and passing loops.

Well it will be interesting to see what changes Metrolink have made to what is essentially the same locomotive as the Caltrain MP36ph-3C.

 

I've always imagined that round the Chatham office they have posters saying. 'Minimum effort for the Maximum profit' lol.

 

The mainline the whole way is single track, yes. With many passing sidings, most of which are at stations. A few not at stations. A lot of the stations on the line have two tracks and train meets are often planned to be here. Think of stations like Newhall and Vista Canyon on the AV Line.

While they are the same locomotive, yes, the Metrolink version has several differences, most notable in the cab. Lots of switches and other things like that are laid out completely differently. On the outside, most units don’t have LED headlights, at least not yet, and the ones that do are completely different ones from the Caltrain LEDs. The Metrolink units also don’t use the little digital display board on the nose to display the train number. On the Metrolink units, this is used to display a permanent locomotive number. A black background with white numbers. Like I said, they’re permanent and can’t be changed.

 

Well for metrolink there's not many main locos. It's mainly just f125s and the mp36s running. The f59 wouldn't add much in modern day.

 

Granted if we had an F59, I’d run the wheels off of it. More reliable than the MP36s or the new Tier 4 emissions LOVE in the F125s. And it’s just overall a much cooler locomotive.

 

Oh my Holy hell!!! Is my forum post still going strong after all this time...... I feel like I've accomplished something here You guys are all amazing, I have to admit I've been having quite the giggle catching up on my post Your all legends xx

 

You are going on the history books with this thread

 

One handle to rule them all....

 

You became the pathway for us to voice ourselves

 

You've re- created the kitchen junk drawer, a Pandora's Box of wildly differing content: some really decent discussions, some silly cat-fighting, and all the flotsam and jetsam of personal hobby horses along with all the stuff that we'll never use but can't bear to throw away.

A perfect storm that might never end.

 

Well, let me be a rare voice of optimism.
Rosenheim/Salzburg and Semmeringbahn will be day 1s for me, and I am pleased by the influx of third party content coming in. This year might be a real turning point.

 

For me probably LA to San Bernardino. And the Japanese route of course.

 

Not just DTG but is it worth buying anything day one any more? I admit that I used to do that for stuff I liked but when you keep getting let down it is wise to wait a little bit?

 

Can't get rid of the cutting corners feeling though. Rosenheim only has the Br111, not even different Dostos and EC trains on Semmering with only Bmz coaches are laughable. They couldn't be bothered to create a first class?

 

Might depend on what they had access to or the development time they had.

 

Pretty much this.

Even the sequel to Snowrunner, Explorations, I'm going to hold back. Still got loads to do in Snowrunner in fact they only just released another set of maps as part of the current Season Pass. If it has some radical differences such as populated areas and interaction outside the vehicles might be worth a full price punt. But if it's more of the same, just with a desert skin, then I'm content to wait for reviews and a sale!

 

Yes I was just thinking the same thing, for instance I was interested in Forza Motorsport but as anyone who follows knows it was a disaster, now I might buy after the fifth(!) patch next month, but even then only at a discount. Anyone who preordered or bought day one was just a beta tester.

But then again at least Turn 10 is listening, for TSW you can say we are beta testers as well except that nothing ever changes, unless possibly part of a paid update. So I suppose you can take it the other way and say might as well buy day one, because it will never get better anyway! Most of the content out there is not worth full asking price anymore, in gaming generally, and for TSW, absolutely.

 

In these current times when a cart load of groceries needs a second mortgage, $40 is quite a bit of moolah. Nothing announced so far for TSW in 2024 looks to me like it's worth full price. There are other games on Steam with perhaps more value tugging at my wallet

I'll be looking for sales or bundles later in the year, I think. Meanwhile, plenty in my library to keep me busy.

 

Probably the only guaranteed purchase for me will be UW's route whenever that comes out (I'm not planning on it being out this year TBH)

The San Bernardino line will matter depending on if DTG learned from their issues with AVL (Terrible urban scenery, handling of freight etc)

Wonder if theyll finally add the Santa Fe Smokestack to the San Bernadino yard thats still not placed on Cajon (But is still in game files)

 

Recently I tried some game demos of yet unreleased games (Steam Next Fest last week). It generally gave me an idea which of these games might be worth buying on the release day (of course if the price is reasonable). Might be the case for some 2 or 3 games this year.

Through the last year I got only 1 game right on the release day and I think 2 at the end of 1st week after the release, after getting some answers how much these games changed since their earlier pre-release demos (as I also found them through Steam Next Fest). Not a hype or pre-release streams ever made me buy anything right on the release day, but only trying demos or alphas before the release version. As for pre-orders, additionally to a couple of Kickstarter backings that might be treated like pre-orders, I only pre-ordered something due to having -80% off loyalty discount available only until the release day.

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In the case of TSW, Tadami is the only strong candidate of obtaining it within the 1st week after the release for me, of course if I have a compatible with it TSW core by that time.

 

Sorry, but I can't set my levels of expectation low enough for that to happen any more because at the end of the day I will only have myself to blame if I continue to throw good money at a bad product.

 

I'm into this thread as much as I'm into the game! This came at a time when all of us who want to see the game improve, but has been hard to see. This has given us a true Forum! to freely speak and it has survived even some of the personal attacks that a small group has done, and given us so many varied insights on the game. 200 by Sept!

 

I hear you but I care about the route more than the rolling stock.

 

And with that little helping hand from DTG's visionary program management, this thread will make it to 100 pages. Do we have bookmakers on this board? I'm gonna take that bet ...

 

I get you, to me the rolling stock situation indicates the potential situation with the whole thing, so I'm worried about how many corners have been cut in the routes themselves.

 

upcoming routes are going to drain my wallet dry, but thats ok, since they look good

 

Welcome back sir, you didn't miss much. TSW 4 is still a train wreck, but glad to see you here. Let's hope this thread never dies

 

reminds me of my old days at a metal forum, where I had created a thread approx. named "Weird fantasy chat featuring mighty heroes" or sth like that... it was supposed to be super over the top, overdone cliches, making fun of fantasy/scifi tropes, character being unhinged and totally overpowered and engaging in all kinds of funny BS

that thread lasted 70 pages, before jealous head-admin locked it... upon which I have done a second iteration, lasting even longer... third and last edition was shorter, but still fun... I think it all ended up in a massive free drinks for all and they all died from alcohol poisoning

damn, makes me want to start a thread like that again in Off Topic section and have it run wild lol

 

I guarantee when TSW5 gets announced later in the year, this thread will literally be 200 pages

 

I'm surprised it hasn't even reached 100 yet.

 

maybe if you drank enough, it would get past 100

 

In fact, lets try sth funky, since this thread is clearly OFF THE RAILS lol... like... short, rhymed, rail themed, responses... or maybe even not rail themed if we run out of ideas... just lets get nuts... even more... ok I start

Hundreds of hours spent on virtual rails,
pantographs fried my brains...

 

I think the way some of these companies charge over the top for games/DLC and while knowing what they are selling is buggy we (the public) should change our buying habits especially with all this cost of living.

We should never pre order. I got caught out with Cyberpunk as did loads of others but luckily they pulled through in the end same with No Man's Sky but then you have companies like EA who are pretty slow in addressing problems unless it is a part of the game that earns them more money like Loot boxes/pay to win. FC 24 is an example, career mode suffers but that game mode is not a priority whereas FUT gets jumped on straight away. Then you have slimey companies like Bethesda who ignore bugs and rely on the public to fix them. Then you have DTG who knowingly release buggy DLC and say they are fixing it but never do.

You will always get buggy software sadly but what gets me is why is it always us that has to pay?

 

Did you break into a DTG meeting? Is that legal?