Look pal you don’t own these forums. Anyone is entitled to post what the hell they like. If you don’t like it you know where the ignore button is.
It’s a business and obviously there is no money to be made on WCL, there’s nothing wrong with the 385 sounds though. It’s just you being fussy.
I honestly think that is his goal. To keep it going until the thread gets locked to stop everyone from commenting their honest opinions on Fife Circle especially since it’s his home route. Just don’t respond to him no more. Just giving him the attention he is craving for.
The sounds are wrong though. There are no flange sounds on the Class 385 as well. There is a mod that makes the sounds so much better and more realistic Also if there is no money to be made on WCL, why is it up for sale then?
I’m not talking about the route, I’m talking about future content for the route. There is no money to be made there. Even the WCL steam tour pack sold poorly.
It sold poorly because that steam train never ran on the route in real life at all. That is hardly surprising. Also I'm sure if that route was updated, some people would buy it just like how people bought the MML after that was updated but since Rivet never update their content, they get reputation that they deserve
It’s almost asif making a poor quality route, means that you will struggle to sell more content for it. That steam pack had the additional struggle of being complete nonsense. Rivet will always struggle to sell additional DLC packs for their routes, because they have a terrible post release support reputation.
So it brings me back to the reason why I think Rivet will support FCL. With the unannounced expansion Jasper talked about and the Class 158.
Rivet need to give up on UK content, they consistently butcher it, how is beyond me, seeing as they based in scotland. Give them their dues, Bernina was a step in the right direction, and now they have gone backwards, there is no excuse for the TT on FCL being so dead, and jaspers response saying it was dead IRL is complete horseshite
Oh believe me, that would be some people's hopes. But the problem is that Rivet Games hardly goes back and updates their previous content. I did give examples to you before of routes that released with issues that were never resolved despite them saying that they would. This is why there are those in the community that just don't trust Rivet games. I just don't expect them to do much or anything to this route after it releases. I wouldn't mind if I was wrong but their past history shows that they don't sort out the issues of their previous content.
For those who ask how the presence of trees inside the track is possible, it's possible! On north-west of Inverkeithing there's an old, semi-abandoned yard, which runs alongside the Dunfermline branch. If you look at the two screenshots down here, you'll see that the row of trees was correctly made by Rivet.
This is where I’ve landed with them too, is it harsh? Yes. The thing is though that it’s not fair on anyone if Rivet continues the way they are. It isn’t fair on the fanbase that potentially miss out on the route they really want, no one else will come along now and make their own Fife Circle in the same setting. It’s not fair on the Rivet devs who quite clearly cannot make UK routes, they’re wasting their potential when they should be sticking to things like the Bernina Line. Im not at all impressed by Jasper and his band of merry men running around, essentially gaslighting everyone into thinking there aren’t any problems. He came on this forum, left a snarky remark whilst asking for constructive feedback, he got it & since then has been leaving further snarky remarks in other communities saying stuff along the lines of ‘I haven’t seen any issues there’. This whole debacle from start to finish has been wholly unacceptable & completely inappropriate from both Rivet & DTG. Something is very very wrong with Rivets development process, and something is very wrong with Rivets community teams attitude towards it. Something is also very wrong with DTG being completely silent on the matter, all whilst they sit back and take their cut from the few sales they’ll get. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad that Rivet were pissing away any favourable reputation they had, alongside DTG squandering a huge opportunity to have a headline DLC for TSW 4.
Yeah I’ve read all about the bad press Rivet has from the routes you mentioned, I know the 385 is a big talking point on these forums too, with the sounds being the main culprit. This route I want to believe they won’t let me down. I know it’s probably naive to think that and my judgement is clouded because it’s kinda a local route to me and all. I guess tomorrow once I play the dlc it will either make lose faith in Rivet completely or I’ll think what was everybody worrying about.
It saddens me that DTG were originally going to do FCL, bur rivet wanted to, just imagine if DTG had done FCL, wouldn't have been perfect, but would have been 1000% better than rivet. As for jasper, I think a great part of the community have a distaste for him, [EDIT - Jan - Inappropriate]
Im actually not, ive enjoyed rivets previous releases, and WCL is actually one of my favorite routes from rivet, Jasper is not a dev, hes the community manager, and a rubbish one at that, the rivet forums are hostile because of the rather shitty attitude they give customers, not only that, in a video produced by rivet, they insulted the community, the hate for rivet isnt unfounded, and we have given them chance after chance, they redeemed themselves with bernina, just like they did with IOW22, and yet again they make another scottish route and somehow make a half arsed job of it.
That brought a big old smile to my old face after breakfast. Stockholm Syndrome alive and kicking. I know, let’s all have a Kickstarter to crowd fund Rivet to sort out this sorry excuse of a £30 route. H’m, thought not.
I’m quite new to the community but it’s sort of hilarious. You’ve got half a community attacking each other and the other half defending these third party DLC makers like they are helpless children. At the end of the day we’re all buying a product… We should be focusing on challenging rivet to do better because everyone wins. They are a business, you are a consumer, if you aren’t happy with the standard of a product: 1. challenge them 2. Stop [EDIT - Jan - Language] buying products until they change it 3. Stop buying products in the hopes they will get better. 4. Collective bargaining (boycotting) * they - referring to any third party or DTGs this community could have long pushed change if they actually stopped buying subpar DLC.
^^^^^^^ This The issue is the minority of brainless console & PC players that religiously buy any old shite that gets thrown out by DTG and rivet.
Some of us have/done so. No Maintalbahn, NYC to Trenton (even at £5.99), Edinburgh to Glasgow or the half Bernina Line here. Rapid Transit remains off my PC. On the flip side while I was sceptical about the Goblin Line but a few caveats aside quite enjoying it. But I will hold firm and resolute on Fife Circle, in fact anything Rivet release in future, assuming they have one after this mess of course. Though I expect nicey, nicey DTG will let them off the hook, again.
Ah wonderful, I bought the Edinburgh Glasgow line, thanks for the effort, I didn’t realise it was poor before I purchased it. I’ll hold off on buying this until it’s fixed.
I tried NYC-Trenton last week, I got a refund after two runs. It's not up to the latest DLCs quality and not really immersive.
Not a lie, because they were very careful with their wording which a lot of people seem to have missed. They said they would "look into" making the extension when it opens IRL in the Summer. That isn't a promise of doing it, that's a "we might do it if we feel like it". Which I would very much doubt will transpire.
I find it alarming that much of the TSW community is raging about a product that doesn't exist yet, in the sense that it's not been released to the public yet. I know that the promotional stream was very discouraging and given Rivet's very haphazard quality record, not something that encourages optimism, but you could at least wait before judging, until you have some tangible evidence that the public retail version is poor. At present it seems there's a witch burning mentality that's gripped everyone, where guilt is established through rumour and innuendo.
an entire airport is missing from the DLC, it doesn't take people buying the product to know this is trash DLC for its high price.
Aha, so after all of what has been shown to the customer (the disasterous stream, the absolute disrespectful statements from Rivet, AND now the ambassador pre-release let's plays), you really think a customer would still be happy or have hope left?
I suggest you re-read your last comment to understand the point I'm making. How can anyone know this, if it's not been released yet? I guess we'll know the truth after 18:00 today, but currently we don't.
You know that YouTubers have had it since yesterday right? Release builds. It’s also been out since 10am for consoles. You may choose not to believe what’s been shown, that doesn’t mean it’s not there though.
They get there money.... Thats a fixed point. And its fine if people try this addon so thats how it works. We can not prevent this so simple is that
In theory, I share your opinion about not prejudging anything before you could seen it in effect. However 3 things, 1. TSW Ambassadors revealed their preview videos yesterday, which high probably should showcase the final build. In some posts earlier in this thread, you even can see some aspects which improved but another one which even got worse in the final build in comparison to the preview stream (the disappeared building north of Kinghorn station). 2. The preview stream high probably should depict the final product more or less. Rivet Games and DTG stated themselves that it was not the ultimate build used for the stream, however it should be one of the final builds. And for one of the final builds, it's clearly to see that there is not going to come out an entirely different version today. 3. There is no way, that they even could improve the build they provided to the ambassadors 2 or 3 days ago to the version we get today at 18 o'clock. The time is simply not there, despite that I doubt whether they even had the interest to do enhance anything in the release version by the way employees responded to costumers raising complaints about their product. So, evidence is given enough to justify what's going on in the forums. Rivet also did some things nice, like the Forth bridge and the train itself, but the showed timetable and the scenery are simply not worth a product listed for 35,99€. It's unfair to us, but also all other third party developer (and even first party developers of DTG) who do put way more effort into their work for exactly the same (if not a less) price tag.
@DTGJudging by the final release steams from ambassadors today, release day, none of the known and glaringly obvious issues have been addressed. None! The deserted intercontinental airport is still a desert, The Queensferry Crossing which you can't miss in real life (the new huge iconic 3rd bridge over the Forth) is completely missing, the Forth Rail Bridge itself sometimes does not render until the train is actually on the bridge, the ballast on the route is entirely the wrong colour, lineside fencing is missing, along with all the known distant scenery and building texture issues. Here's a picture of the bridges that cross the Forth. How any developer or quality control employee could have missed the iconic Queensferry road crossing not being visible is more than astounding and utterly astonishing. It's like modeling Paris and forgetting to put the Eiffel tower in! Quite pathetic for the money they want for this release. This DLC is a classic example of SLOPPY AND SHODDY WORKMANSHIP from Rivet and a cash grabbing disgrace from Dovetail for consciously and deliberately allowing this to be released in its current sad and sorry state. It seems as though quality control was either asleep at the wheel or it simply didn't' exist at both Rivet and Dovetail when it comes to this release. There is no way that the glaringly obvious problems with this DLC were not noticed by either Rivet or Dovetail before it was released. No matter how you try to dress it up, this release is a now complete fiasco and it should never have been released in its current state. It is simply shoddy workmanship that has been rushed out of the door for whatever reason. It is in no way up to the TSW4 standards that paying customers now expect.
Are we (console users) not getting it until 6pm (GMT), even though on the official post it says we are getting it at 10am (GMT)?
I’m laying off this one for a while. Wanting to see reviews first in the community before actually buying it. Only really wanting the route for the 170 but I can see this being quite a wait if the route is poor.
You can found it here on XBOX EU https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/games/st...h-via-dunfermline-kirkcaldy/9N3ZP9N77JKP/0010 VS https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/st...h-via-dunfermline-kirkcaldy/9N3ZP9N77JKP/0010
