That’s basically the crux of what’s wrong with the route itself though. Compare this to BML & you have 2 routes that do the same thing, offer express services between 2 high capacity stations on an enclosed route, except only one of them does that. E2G even comes with just 1 train & they couldn’t even get the timetable completed. Once Fife Circle lands, Rivet really need to go back to this one & update it with the Scotrail & LNER AI on either end, along with sorting the timetable out. It’s a one trick pony route which doesn’t do that one trick. That coupled with the state of the 385 make this a failure of a simulation experience IMO.
EDN is like a meal with no seasoning, bland and uninspiring. I hope they make Fife Circle more appealing.
Quite excited for this. Any guesses as to when it will come out. I know it gave a timeframe albeit I imagine overground comes first
I see people say the E->G route was boring but it is a stop and start passenger express service, you can easily obtain that information to know what you were getting into via the product description or looking into the actual IRL route itself. Granted, I will agree they could have extended into some other areas for some freight runs, like the TSC version - I'd recommend people trying some of the user created scenarios as those are quite good too.
I'd disagree with that. It has a handful of features other routes don't have like the lifts and building interiors, and the 385 isn't the worst train in the game. I for one quite enjoy the route.
Concidering that the German route is February. Goblin line is probably after that in march. I think this will come out mid/late April. Just a prediction. It could come sooner or later.
I don´t know if it was already discussed but it would be interesting to see if Rivet will include the levenmouth link. Despite being a short section it can be rather nice one - from what I´ve googled there´s heritage train depot and Cameronbridge distillery near tha line.
Love how no one’s talking about the 158, it’s litteraly a paid reskin- I won’t be buying Fife circle bc of this
Maybe that is because most people don't see it as an issue? We have been getting paid reskins since the days of rail simulator! If it adds more to the route, then for those who want that it is worth it.
From what I've heard, there are significant differences between the EMT 158 and ScotRail 158 to justify them as completely different.
I’d be very surprised if it was and tbf to rivet it’s not open yet so if they’ve built the route already, which assuming they have and are at refinement, there won’t be much reference material. Would be a nice candidate to trial a route extension on though, again wishful thinking but we can hope.
I don’t like this argument. These sometimes mediocre routes are made by people who are skilled in that profession and do it for a living, not people who play tsw for fun
Thing is we pay for their product and they ought to realise that a lot of people are fed up with the inaccuracies of their rolling stock, most of the other units and locos have had a needed update yet Rivet thinks that once a train is out it's out and it doesn't need any future amendments.
Yeah it's a con no doubt. At least we can use creators club and just stick a 158 saltire in free roam
A timetable pack with a NX scotrail 150, 158 and 170 would be pretty great to see eventually, perhaps it could even include another timetable for E-G
They tend to not communicate. There will probably release teasers on their socials when the time comes but their community manager rarely comments on things
oh i would if i knew how to but i dont i can use the timetable editor to mke timetables but not routes. Then again i dont complain about developers or be critical of those who do give us conten unlike some. Looking forward to this releasing as well as the class 158 day one buy for me
because they have to pay for it and not get it for free. If they get it for free they will complain they need to pay for broadband for download it lol
By using the word con they are accusing the developer of lying to them, I would like to know how the developer will be lying to them, I mean it isn't even out yet. Surely it isn't another mindless rant using emotive words incorrectly, that would never happen!
Although I were a bit miffed by this at first, after thinking about it a bit more I actually see nothing particularly wrong with this. Of course you can do that with CC if you want, but you won't have the timetable or other Scotrail features. Skyhook did a bloody good job with that 158 in MML, so we know that quality shouldn't be an issue. Hold on! What! I need to pay for broadband to download this. Unacceptable, bloody unacceptable. I take back what I said above, as DTG are working together with Internet companies to make us spend more money and then they are also working with the government to track everything we do and get rid of our freedom. This is just not right and I'll not give them another penny; well until the next DLC comes as I'll need something new to complain about. Another thing that is not right is that this what I said above (which for the blunter tools is highly satirical) doesn't seem particularly stupid compared to some things I have read on this forum today!
To "not by Fife circle bc of this" suggests that you, originally, had absolutely no intention of doing so anyway, but want to remain relevant by merely finding something to complain about. Don't like it? don't buy it. nobody is forcing you to do so. If anything, complain to Skyhook, rather that taking it out on Rivet... But hey, that's a logical thing to do. I doubt they will, purely because the scope of the route clearly seems to be about the fife circle, rather than Levenmouth. Would be nice, and who knows, we haven't seen anything official about the route layout yet. other than a brief mention and a few photos.
Can we not argue. Why is it always a thread relating to the "Fife Circle Line" Route always lead to an argument. If people don't want to buy it then that's ok, we shouldn't be bashing people over their own opinion, and if someone has an opinion you don't like keep it to yourself OR politely say you disagree that's all. There's no reason why the past two FCL threads should have ended up in an argument. If someone has a problem with the 158 being a cash grab, great perfect that's fine, but if you don't agree with it then just say that instead of acting all hostile for no reason.... It's like FCL is bringing a bad omen or something
Thanks for sending me down a massive rabbit hole… I’ve been looking at this for hours and probably now know more about the Levenmouth Rail Link than some of the locals living right next to the line! Anyways, this project is so so interesting and would be totally doable even if it’s not (fully) finished yet. I was able to find detailed plans on absolutely everything, down to the angle of the lights at the stations and the provisional locations for future ticket machines in case they’re needed. There are also multiple draft timetables incorporating the new branch with timings down to the exact minutes available from ScotRail. The line will likely have an incredibly cool service pattern, with trains (1 train per hour) alternately using the coastal and inland parts of the Fife Circle to get to Edinburgh and back. The track (and signalling) is all fully laid and operational, currently they’re training tons of drivers on the line in preparation for opening in pretty much exactly 100 days. While that is going on, they’re finishing up the details on the platforms and constructing the car parks, access roads etc. for the two stations. There’s lots of stuff happening each month and the project is constantly popping up in the local news, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Rivet (which is based not far away) caught wind of it. Including the branch would certainly be uniquely amazing and get the DLC a lot of attention, even outside the railsim bubble. Even if that isn’t possible, let’s hope they’ve laid the tracks in advance (the track plan couldn’t really be more simple) and can maybe add an extension in the future. Would gladly pay a few bucks for that! Very interesting gameplay info: Even if the full new Levenmouth Rail Link branch cannot be added ingame at all, I’ve found something very cool that could be implemented with basically zero effort. About a decade ago, a very short stub of the branch adjacent to the mainline was used to load coal onto freight wagons hauled by Class 66 locomotives! This is a gameplay element that could realistically be added to the route DLC without having to tackle any additional scenery. Full details and images here: https://www.railscot.co.uk/locations/E/Earlseat_Loading_Pad/ Some further reading for all of you: Local Facebook page that posts very frequent construction updates and pictures along the line (no account needed to view the posts and images, I believe): https://www.facebook.com/Levenmouthbuildingarailway/ Scotland’s Railway Project Overview with news, station infos etc.: https://scotlandsrailway.com/projects/levenmouth-reconnected-raillink Proposed ScotRail timetables: https://www.scotrail.co.uk/about-sc...es/fife-and-tay-cities-timetable-consultation Some older and in-construction images of the line: https://www.railscot.co.uk/companies/L/Leven_Railway/ Just a little taste of the planning documents that are publicly available to view. This is for Leven Station (the terminus). Look for the likes of Station Layout, Site Plan and Landscape Plan in the documents list for the coolest and most informative plans: https://planning.fife.gov.uk/online/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=RJDL2SHFGJ600
Not all the time, their IOW route (original, not 2022 as I don't own that one) is a good route for its time and still holds well even now I think.
It's more, there are certain people on this forum who believe their opinions are right and that everyone must conform to it. They will argue it and then derail the thread so no other opinion gets a chance. Unfortunately it's not unique to the FCL threads.
Let’s not start calling people irrelevant, it just creates more problems. I did want to buy fife circle but the 158 not being included as part of the bundle will make it feel somewhat incomplete to me, which sort of puts me off the whole route
Being in their backyard, Rivet should be producing a decent route. If they do a decent job of the Forth Bridge, then there is no excuse why they cannot make WCL look more realistic than the fantasy route we have now. I agree that the 158 should be included as part of the bundle, but isn’t Skyhook developing it?
It's not the first route to have had this concept, so unless you had the same reaction to the other routes (SEHS *pre extension* with the 465/ LIRR? With the M7 *not sure on that one (train, I know it had a dlc train)/ any route thats had an extra train dlc) My point is, it's not the first and to say it's putting you off a route we know *literally* nothing about is jumping to conclusions. There's a hint about I7C HSTs and other layers by Rivet so we'll have to wait and see.
I hope rivet does a great job with the 170 and don't mess it up! Other than that I think the route will be fantastic
What I mean by con is that a 158 already exists in the game however they still expect players to pay for the same thing but with a different colour scheme and livery slapped on. Hardly a new product really and wouldn't you think someone out there would have thought to give it out for free to players who already own the 158?? That being said I don't know how much it will cost so take this as me being a bit miffed more than anything
The HST was already in game with GWE but you had to pay again for the EMT one because they aren't the same, why should the 158 be any different.
Well, that´s water for my mill - thank you for the effort put into the research! There´s precedent with future projects being implemented in the game with the Birmingham University Station for instance. If the Levenmouth Rail Link will stick to the schedule, Rivet may release The Fife Circle Line together or just weeks before the grand opening. Anyways, it would be strange if Rivet didn´t gave a thought to this one...
So you're saying that skyhook devs shouldn't be paid for their work? It's not just new paint. It's got modeling differences, scenarios, most likely timetable services that take several months of work and testing.
I think the point is that it should've just come with the route from the start rather than essentially being another gameplay pack. I don't see how Skyhook would've lost money. We have gotten free timetable updates in the past
Most of these have been passion projects by Joe and other Devs, mostly in their own free time. A new loco is different.
Well clearly they are allowed hence why they are doing it and also it’s not just rivet they are working alongside skyhook games.
Then it isn't a con. A con would be if they said the class 158 was definitely bundled with the route, you purchase the route and it isn't there and then you find out you have to purchase it separately.
