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Flat Nose Train

Discussion in 'PC Discussion' started by rat7_mobile, Apr 13, 2020.

  1. rat7_mobile

    rat7_mobile Member

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    Hi

    I just realised that the half-British, half-USA train, as 4 automatic speed and 4 manual speed, would it not made more senses to put just 8 automatic speed on 1 transmission instead of 2 transmissions
     
  2. kalteVollmilch

    kalteVollmilch Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry, what?

    There is only one train using a manual gearbox, which is the BR Class 101.
    This train also is 100% british, there is nothing american about it. It also only has 1 gearbox, and nowhere in this train an automatic gearbox is used.
     
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  3. rat7_mobile

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    Well for one it is used, at least in the game in Nothern Pennsylvania

    2) there is 2 gear box, the one on the left-hand side that has 4 speed, and is automatic, like in all of the trains

    3) there is the one on the right-hand side that has 4 speed, and must be shifted up or down (even if the down shifting does nothing)
     
  4. LastTrainToClarksville

    LastTrainToClarksville Well-Known Member

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    First of all, folks, aren't you discussing an engine, not a train? Secondly, doesn't the engine you're calling "flat nose"have a name or designation?
     
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  5. DominusEdwardius

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    Is anybody else seriously confused?
     
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  6. rat7_mobile

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    No it is a train, and I have no idea what the name or designation is, but it is used in the tree valley scenario in the british, and the northenr pennsylvania in the USA
     
  7. Tomas9970

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    It must be the Class 101 from what I understand.
     
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  8. Tomas9970

    Tomas9970 Well-Known Member

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    There is only one gearbox. One lever is used to select the gear while the other lever is used to adjust the power of the engine. Automatic gearboxes were not a thing when that train was produced as far as I'm aware.

    edit: The Class 101 is basically a car from this point of view.
     
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  9. GothicMatt

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    I dont think the class 101 is used in the US
     
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  10. Tomas9970

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    Ok I'll try again. Do you mean this thing?
    TSW_Tomas9970_1572463291_00.jpg
     
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  11. rat7_mobile

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    Yes I mean this train

    and it does have two transmission, one automatic and the other ise manual
     
  12. Railfan722

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    One of them is a power handle that controls the speed and therefore power output of the engines, while the other is a gearbox. Therefore, there is only 1 transmission. This train does not operate in Pennsylvania, in fact the last time a British train made it out there was probably in the 80s when Leyland sent a Pacer prototype to test on SEPTA in Philadelphia. Are you perhaps confusing it with the Pennines which the route pictured runs through?
     
  13. kalteVollmilch

    kalteVollmilch Well-Known Member

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    ok, time to summarize things :D
    The train you are talking about ist the BR Class 101
    the two routes this train is driving on are the Tees Valley Line and Northern Trans Pennine, both routes are british.
    This train has only one transmission, which is manual.
    The lever on the left, which you are referring to as a gearbox, is kind of like the accelerometer in a car. In notch 1, the accelerator is being pushed just a little, and in notch 4 you are flooring the accelerometer. This does not shift gears!
    The lever in the right is in fact the gearlever for the gearbox. And downshifting does work, you have to be at a reasonable speed for the selected gear and need to give it a little time to actually shift down
     
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  14. Random Railfan

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    Hold on. How does Northern Pennsylvania relate to all of this?
     
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  15. kalteVollmilch

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    Northern Pennsylvania is the wrong version of "Northern Trans Pennine" :D
     
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  16. Random Railfan

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    Oh, lol. That makes sense.
     
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  17. rat7_mobile

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    well on all other train, and this one included, there is the gear on the automatic transmission to be choosen, on most it is 1 - 10, on this little clown of a train it is 1 - 4, and normal USA, and Canadian one it is 1 - 8

    In most case from what I undersood, 1 = 10km, 2 = 20km, etc...

    On this particular train 1-1 = about 2km, and then 1-4 is at most 25km, then if you use the manual transmission, which by the time you get everything moving the train is mostly stopped in 2-4 = 45km, 3-4 = 80, and thi speed is way too fast to be stopped properly, but this is another stories
     
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    is it a dual mode diesel locomotive for the Lirr.
     

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  19. stujoy

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    What you call Tree Valley is actually called Tees Valley and is in the UK
    What you call Northern Pennsylvania is actually Northern Trans-Pennine, also in the UK.

    I’m not even going to go into your lack of understanding of the gear system on the 101, I don’t think there’s any point, based on how we tried to help you with the brakes.

    I may have said this before but I don’t think this is the game for you, especially with the Class 101. Sorry to be so honest about this, but you are never going to get to grips with how this flat nosed train works, it’s too complicated for you.
     
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  20. stujoy

    stujoy Well-Known Member

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    Oh my word, in case we needed more confusion. No, there isn’t even one of those in the game.
     
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  21. kalteVollmilch

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    No, this is wrong. Except for the Class 101 this thread is about, trains do NOT have gears.
    Tthink of it more like the accelerometer in a car. You tell the engine how much power to give.
    Take an engine producing 1000hp as an example:
    In notch 1 out of 10, the engine will produce 100hp, in notch 2 200hp, in notch 3 300hp and so on till notch 10, where it will produce its full 1000hp.
    Again, there are no gearboxes on trains!
     
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  22. kalteVollmilch

    kalteVollmilch Well-Known Member

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    How is that even remotely relevant to this thread?
     
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  23. ARuscoe

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    You really are having issues with the 101...

    OK, back to basics (again) this train has 4 gears (think car, mountain bike etc) which is the 1-4 you talk about.
    Then think "gas pedal" for a car or "how hard you're peddling" on a bike. This is the 1-10

    When you're at 0mph and you want to pull away you put it in 1st gear (same as a car), give it a little gas (1 or 2 on the power) and you will pull gently away. when you start to accelerate less quickly give it more gas (or just floor it to 10 on the gas pedal/lever)
    When you stop being able to accelerate in 1st gear you have to drop the power, shift into 2nd and then apply power again, but not at 10 (well not in real life, anyway) but maybe at 5, and again when you stop accelerating as quickly you can up the power
    Repeat this until you're doing about 35mph and then you're finally in 4th gear and can start going quickly

    In real life you would also best be in fourth when coasting (no power applied) else you'll wreck the gearbox

    When you slow down you should also be in 4th until you're just about to stop when you should put it back to 0 (no gear or idle)

    It's all very technical but you SHOULD get used to it.

    My advice would be forget about the mission or instructions and just try to drive it for a while. See what happens when you move from 1st to fourth at too slow a speed (the engine grinds down, can't get the power to the wheels and you might even stall it) or from fourth to 1st at too high a speed (this shoves the engine into too high a revs, the whole thing tries to slow down violently and people at the back end up throwing up all over the seats)

    If you've ever ridden a bike or driven a car you should know about gears and how they relate so think that way when driving this unit.
     
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  24. ARuscoe

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    I believe people were trying to figure out which train/unit the OP was talking about... Hadn't been established it was the BR Class 101 at that point
     
  25. stujoy

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    Yes, but the rest of us were keeping it within the trains that are actually in the game. This one isn’t.
     
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  26. rat7_mobile

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    But in the end, you have to go trough 1-1 to 1-4, and then try to be fast enough to go 2-1 to 2-4, etc....
     
  27. Random Railfan

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    My brain hurts. The gears go from one to four. What are you talking about?
     
  28. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    No, you go 1-1 to 1-10, then down to 2-3 up to 2-10, then down to 3-3 up to 3-10 then 4-3 up to 4-10
     
  29. NAYDOG

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    please give up. I also find your belittling of things you dont understand funny - so carry on!

    personal favourite is calling the 101 a little clown train, a little clown that has outsmarted you and is over 60 years old :'D
     
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  30. Big Papi34

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    I don't know what in the hell is going on here, or why he is still arguing with all the answers given by y'all, but I'm gonna take an Advil because this thread is a hell of a headache.
     
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  31. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    I think it’s a joke
    Having had a think about it

    I await being proven wrong
     
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  32. Random Railfan

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    He might be trolling. I don't know though. This is the kind of stuff a new member that doesn't know what they're doing would post, not someone that's posted 58 messages, so it may just be ironic/a joke.
     
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    Doesn't need to have any hint of relevance for MrChuck to throw LIRR and his dream dual mode diesel into the mix! :D
     
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    It could be someone's funeral and he'd be in the corner saying " Can we carry is casket on LIRR". Naw im playin, but he does bring up LIRR ALLOT.
     
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    I mean when in context bringing up DM30ACs for LIRR makes sense since it's in dire need of new content, but just not here. I do agree with him though, that's for sure. I'm just as bored of the M7s in TSW as I am with them in real life. LIRR has great potential and DTG's been wasting it a bit by adding a ton for Peninsula Corridor.
     
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  36. JJTimothy

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    This thread is making my head spin but if it helps there's a vintage training film on YouTube. It's been broken up into four parts for some reason but part one is here:


    And, for something actually filmed in the cab of a Class 101, I hope I'll be excused for linking to this:


    The Class 101 and, I believe most if not all of the other Modernization Plan DMU's, had a semi-automatic epi-cyclic gearbox adapted from a British Leyland 'bus. Semi-automatic in that the driver initiates gear changes but the process looks after itself... to some extent- the driver does have to watch the throttle.
     
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  37. PlatChap

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    The perfect thread to drink my morning coffee to. Good show lads.
     
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  38. Eric261992

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    I think hes drunk
     
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    A clear instance of "You can't teach a new dog old tricks"?!?
     
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    You don't have to be fast, you just need to get into a rhythm when driving the 101, when you are changing up a gear, reduce your throttle all the way down to idle, then shift up ONE gear, watch your rpm indicator needle drop, the gear indicator will change from grey to white when it is okay to throttle up again. Increase your throttle to keep your needle in the yellow zone and you should accelerate no problem. When your rpm needle is at the top of the yellow zone repeat. Don't increase your throttle too quickly, keep your eye on the rpm gauge.

    Please don't ask about brake lapping on the 101. :)
     
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  41. ARuscoe

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    I believe you missed the point on that one
    They were saying that leaving POWER in step one they would change to gear 2 then gear 3 and 4, then back to GEAR 1 before moving to power 2... total nonsense if you think about it
     
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    What I find with the class 101 is that when I use the mouse to move the reverser all the way forwards, I don't move at all, and when I use the W key to move it all the way forwards, I end up going backwards.
     
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    I was only able to get this going after finding the keys for shiftting gears here in the forums ;-)
     
  44. Doomotron

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    There's a handy tutorial for the train in the Training menu.
     
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    There is a Reverser on the Desk as part of the Gear Change and it does not have a Centre OFF
    Fully Forward is OFF
    Middle Position is Forward
    Fully Back is Reverse

    Peter
     
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    Been away from the forums for a while. - and WOW, what a read. Please would someone try and explain the Brakes on the 101 to the OP, with all this quarantine, I am desperate for entertainment. :)
     
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    There is a thread, maybe more than one, where people were doing just that. Worth searching for.
     
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    This would make a great copy pasta.
     
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