Frankfurt S-bahn Discussion

The performance issue with the swap file can be almost eliminated by placing the swap file on an SSD instead of a traditional hard drive. However, there is another problem: SSDs have a limited number of writes, so placing the swap file on an SSD can lead to a shortened lifespan of that SSD. The full article can be found at this address. https://www.computertrends.cz/clanky/nedostatek-virtualni-pameti-lze-vyresit-ale-neco-za-neco-3-dil/

 

That's an article from 10 years ago.... things change...technology improves.

All SSD disk you buy should have an information how much data you can reliably write on them (in TBW - terabytes written).
The last nvme I bough is a 4TB drive with 3200 TBW write capacity. That means if I would overwritte the whole disk (4TB) each day and every day, it should last for 800 days, or 2.25 years...
To scale it back, If I would write 400GB each day, it should last for 22.5 years...

In typical use the NAND write limit is never an issue.

 

taking out specific jobs per layer is more difficult than taking out a whole layer. especially when the removed layers are the cause of performance issues

 

No. If a train is on the map, it has to be in memory, regardless of whether there's one of them on the map or ten. So removing one layer entirely saves much more memory than cutting half of two layers would.

 

This is true but an unrendered train really shouldn't be taking up much memory at all to the point that having thousands of them wouldn't be a problem.

Something has gone wrong with either suspension or another tsw4/5 upgrade that has broken the compression of unrendered trains. There is no need for it to be anything but a prompt to recall the assets from storage and its pathing. Everything else is dynamic.

 

Valid points OpenMinded

But, I still don't really understand the actual route choice logic though. Even if optimisation wasn't a major issue, there are so many more places and regions of Germany which deserve to be represented offering something different and interesting - isn't that a part of the reason why the LAMPOIL process even exists? Two Frankfurt Hbf routes with Ludwigsbahn in-between (also near Frankfurt!) doesn't make much sense (not forgetting all the existing TSW routes in the region from MSB, Maintalbahn, Niddertalbahn, Kassel-Wurzburg and so on).

Anyway, just look in the past with Munich Hbf and HMA - that should have been an indication of how memory intense Frankfurt Hbf was going to be regardless. Just to be clear, I want DTG to have large ambitious routes and timetables. But, in my opinion, all this ongoing issues with reduced timetables for Gen 9 consoles and divide among the community could have perhaps been totally avoided if they chose not to have another Frankfurt route so soon - I mean you'd hope that DTG will eventually improve optimisation and the core anyway, so no harm in waiting. Nonetheless, I hope this learning curve will now improve the game in the long-term, after all, loyal and passionate fans of TSW like ourselves only want it to be the best and enjoyable it can be for a long, long time...

 

I think the game's probably calling out now for a route in the North/Northeast of Germany. It's a huge gap in the network with only really Hamburg-Lübeck and arguably the Dresden routes fitting into it.

As much as I'm a huge fan of Frankfurt - Köln (and don't see it much as a "Frankfurt" route in that regard because you're there for 10 minutes a run), Hamburg - Hannover or a route around/out of Berlin would be very welcome.

 

Maybe get across to the Braunschweig area too, there was a much loved route in Zusi 2 the Schuntertalbahn across to Wolfsburg (think it’s now closed though) which was quite fun with a diverted trains timetable. The Trier area or as I’ve mentioned a few times Hagen off across the Obereruhrtalbahn. All something a bit different from the endless diet of 42x and now 43x EMU’s, 143’s with Dostos, etc.

 

I see people ask for Hamburg-Hannover all the time, but you have it perfectly created already for Zusi and it will obviously have the same problems and brutally cut timetable on consoles as in Frankfurt, with the giant Maschen and all harbour freights in the way.

 

Finally managed to drive both these trains and, no, they are not taking the avoiding line (despite it being displayed as such in the preview map...).

So, after all, I believe we have not actually one service taking this track... Wonder why it made its way into this DLC?!

 

I think it was even communicated as basically added for freeroam purposes only.

 

Really?! Didn’t know that. I am still wondering what the original plan was for this track, then. Maybe it will see some action later on with the Br420 timetable.

 

Hi guys
Two questions:

1. What is the S-Bahn max speed on this route? TSW HUD allow us to go 160 km/h but when I'm watching youtube cab rides I don't think that the S-Bahn trains goes that fast.
2. Is there an easy way to change the camera assignment to a button in BR430? Specifically I think about the view from the right cabin window. When we press the left arrow the first view is the view from the window on the left side of the cabin. When we press right arrow button we see instrument panel. I wonder if anyone uses these buttons to look at panels and instruments (?). I'd like to be able to quickly see the view from the right window. I'm leaving aside the fact that in the BR430 we had no "look out the window" option when approaching the door.

 

1. It's 140 km/h if you are talking about the BR430.

 

1. The 430s max speed is 140 but in my runs it reaches around 155.
2. Nope, you can't costumize it sadly.

 

The GPA magnets in Frankfurt Tief approaching a red are brutal. Does anyone know what speed they're set at? I have to drive through the platform so slowly.

(This is probably more a rant at the stupid "you must always finish the service on a red signal" system that TSW has)

 

Still hoping some kind modder will make a mod to substitute the 143 for a 146 on the RE services. I want to run some of them but refuse to drive the 143

 

The max speed is confusing for more trains. The BR425 has a label in the cab for max 140 km/h, the game allows it upto 160 km/h on HRR. However, the first serie of this train, is allowed for 160 km/h IRL and looking at the ingame numbers of this train, it looks like it's one of the first serie.

 

They’re only allowed 160km/h under LZB supervision from what I remember. Under PZB, vmax is 140km/h.

 

May I ask why? The 143 is for me a lot of fun to drive.

 

Thanks, that make sense. I still don't know why only 2 series (I believe) are allowed for 160 km/h.

 

I have not driven the BR143 much, but just drove it and, once I get past the learning curve, it's going to be great fun balancing the speed set to force control. There is a guide to it in the general area.
PC - Br 143 How-to-drive-like-a-boss | Dovetail Games Forums

 

That doesn't follow. I would really advise against making extrapolations based on single data points

 

Thinking of buying is:

1. Frankfurt Galluswarte in this route ?

2. Conductor mode for the 423/430 and not just the double decker coaches ?

 

No. Galluswarte is not between Frankfurt Hbf and Mainz/Wiesbaden.

No. There are no conductors on these trains in real life.

 

I find it horrible to drive and it's a neglected train in TSW; I'd just much prefer a 146 be attached.

 

Neglected? One of the better German locomotives in the game, that has been improving every time it's been "reused".

 

actually, the new version of 143 is the one that actually works... 114 seems to work ok too, wish they fixed 112

 

All of them work. 112 and 114 does not, but those aren't 143s.

 

well, 114 works/reacts differently than 112 used to, but it is doable... like when you approach station and engage train brake, after a bit of ok delay it engages e-brake nicely, 112 you have to pray to gods, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt

143 in new version works nicely so far as I checked

 

As I have posted above the BR143 is really fun to operate. I am concentrating so much on getting the various controls and switches right that in my initial runs on Frankfurt S-Bahn that both PZB and Sifa are getting me at times, but mastery will come with time.

 

Problem with *all* the 143/112/114s in TSW is - correct me if the Rhine-Main 143 is different as I don't have the route - it may be quite complex and thus "fun" to drive, but it drives nothing like the original. The most important drive mode, 'Freier Auslauf', is not simulated. Freier Auslauf, used to run down the loco to zero, is so important that it's the only button that's directly at the speed controller, so you can use it without moving your hand. In TSW you always have to put the speed controller to zero, which just feels wrong if you know how the real loco works. I've been on a 143 in RL a dozen times and I just can't stand driving it in TSW. Even the 15 year old vR 143 in TS has it, what's so difficult about implementing it in TSW....

 

So im doing depot moves into Wisebaden hbf and using safety systems. Every i get pzb stop for no reason and no warning. Just a sudden stop am missing something. Thanks

 

What you are probably seeing, the main signal, on screen not in the HuD, is showing red but you have the shunting signal giving you the ok to pass, which is why the HuD shows green. You need to press the PZB bypass as you pass the signal, on a pc this is the 'del' key. Another reason, if this is not associated with a signal, is an overspeed. You are limited to less that 25 km/h if the last signal was red. This will not be reflected in the HuD speed.

 

IIRC, DB regs restrict all 425s including the originals to 140, because the brakes are iffy.

 

Thanks for this info! Is this the reason why only the first series was allowed for 160 km/h?

 

After some incidents with the first ones in service (no actual collisions that I recall, but a lot of near heart attacks), DB decided the brakes couldn't be trusted at 160.

 

I'm reading something now on Wikipedia in German. My Geman is not that good, but it looks like they changed the brakes multiple times. After the first change in 2005, those trains where allowed again to run 160 km/h with LZB. In 2007, there where again braking issues, but after changes in 2008 they where allowed again to run their max speed. Has there been more incidents after 2008?

 

Boy, talk about using the end users as beta testers.

 

It happens on the Dresden Hbf Nahverkehr Dresden shunts too the Red signal with white dots

 

Yes, that is the shunting signal. Because the main red signal is lite, you have to use the PZB bypass when going by it, as long as PZB is active.