Friendly Reminder That Edinburgh-glasgow Is Still Very Broken

I'm going to buy a route with 385 just for this mod, aphahah))

 

It's not boring to me, I'm very passionate about the 385s.

 

Very charitable and all that but you’re basically saying they should get a free pass for atrocities like WCL and the most recent debacle WCMLS to which they contributed in a big way. G-E too.
If they’ve got mortgages and families etc. then all the more reason to pull their socks up because they’re charging the same as other 3rd party devs who do their work properly.

 

I was busy so I didn't reply quickly. But anyone who does complain without compiling a list of bugs like I have is totally within their right to do so since they are paying customers. It honestly wouldn't take long for the developer to just play their own game and find the bugs themselves. I just chose to take time out of my day to try to improve a product that I really love.

 

My take on Rivet Rivet is their routes offer the bare minimum that they can get away with, and with many faults that are never fixed. If they were a physical shop trading standards would have closed them down years ago.

 

The other Rivet releases were supposed to be a finished job.
West Coast mainline south; simply wasn't.
Whether it was a rollback to an earlier build because of branding or trying to meet the launch deadline.Probably never know.
I reckon they'll be more accountable, after that.
What do think Tooty?
Jasper; what do you think?

 

Hi Matt, thanks for replying to my thread. I've replayed the service that prompted me to make the post and here are my findings:

Platform: PS5

Service: 2P09-1 Edinburgh Waverly - Dunblane

Time and date of service: 17:35 on the 20th of November

Dynamic weather enabled

List of bugs found on this service in no particular order:

• The master key sticks out when inserted

• When pressing the TMS screen on PS5, it enters view screen mode. None of the buttons can be pressed on the TMS in view screen mode, making you back out of view screen mode and re-enter it every time you want to press a button on the TMS.

• DAS screen on the TMS does not display traction and braking effort. In the past I have seen the information displayed inconsistently.

• General low resolution of in-cab textures compared to other TSW content.

• The train door 'hustle' alarms continue to play for several seconds after the doors have already closed.

• The door close button continues to automatically press twice after the d-pad door open button on the PS5 controller is pressed.

• When exiting the TMS view screen mode using the circle button on PS5, the AWS plunger is automatically depressed

• When setting the headlights using the PS5 controller the control is inverted.

• The window blind must be operated from the top of the window regardless of the actual position of the blind.

• The button on the side of the throttle control does not function correctly.

• The unlit AWS sunflower is still visible in complete darkness.

• The door interlock light illuminates regardless of whether the cab door is closed or not.

• The door interlock light does not always stay illuminated when the doors are closed.

• The text on the dot matrix screens in the passenger areas is green. It should be orange.

• A 90MPH speed restriction sign at Newbridge passenger loop travelling towards Glasgow does not appear on the track monitor and is not enforced on the HUD.

Along with these bugs, here is a list of features that are lacking on this train that are present in many other TSW trains. Including but not limited to: no working reading light, no working GSM-R, no working desk illumination control, no working air conditioning control, non-functioning door handover button and a non-automatic auto announce system.

This is far from a complete list of all the bugs on this route but I cannot say for sure where the other bugs I have experienced occured so they are omitted from this list. Thanks for reading.

P.S. I have a cheeky request that you add a safety systems always on setting to the game.

 

Which is not what I said. I agree and have said many times on this forum that I don't think WCL was a good release.

What I was saying is that for those calling for Rivets demise, they don't speak for everyone. For all their faults they have produced some good and interesting content. It isn't as if their existence is affecting those who don't like their content or think it is good enough.

As for WCMLS we have no idea what their exact contribution was, it is pure speculation.

 

Some of the problems have already been noted in previous comments, so I don't feel it necessary to add anymore. All I will say is it is a route with so much potential to be one of the best routes in the game, but it's actually one of the worst in its current state. Maybe Skyhooks further improvements to the timetable may improve this in future though.

Without trying to sound provocative, for those who are genuinely questioning 'what are the problems with it?', if the abundance of bugs and issues aren't obvious, then that should be a advert for Spec Savers in itself...

 

The issues raised appear to be mostly to do with the 385, which I agree needs work.

I still can't say that the route itself has any major issues, I do pretty much exclusively drive from the cab so maybe I just haven't noticed them. I don't need my eyes testing. The route itself does not seem to be to an poor standard, the 385 does need attention I agree.

 

Speak for yourself. I think the 385 is quite an interesting EMU, and I fail to see how an intercity route between Scotland's two major cities is a problem in of itself.

For what it's worth I think it's a decent route. My only major issue with it is the 385 audio, and even that isn't a deal breaker. It still sounds somewhat like a 385, which is more than can be said for some other trains in this game.

 

Would definitely appreciate a fix for touch screens not working with the new 'view screen' feature. The TMS on the class 385 was the one where I was most looking forward to using that new TSW5 feature as I found it quite fiddly to do SDO when playing in TSW4. Now the TMS is just unusable.

 

The Levenmouth Branch is officially out for fife circle. lets see if they've actually improved or not

 

From the wording it sounds like the branch is in but the new timetable isn’t yet. Looking forward to checking out all the improvements anyway, really enjoy FC as it is despite its launch flaws.

 

Perhaps I should hurry up and finish this. (It has been sitting around on my PC for some time now).
It should be of interest to PC players who are interested in scenarios and additional formations.
Scenarios - Edinburgh 2 Glasgow - Extra Paths Mod Coming Soon

 

Few additional bits to enhance the route -

- Update platform PIS to show Edinburgh rather than Edinburgh Waverley
- Add Peak Time services stopping patterns on hour and half past in both directions(services call at Waverley, Haymarket, Falkirk High, Lenzie, Bishopbriggs & Glasgow QS
- Add late night services
- Update TMS/announcements to recognisewhen starting a service in opposite direction

 

Class 170 services are available to and from Leven.

 

Are the 158 services being added later on fife circle then

 

Coming into Glenthores from Cameron Bridge



The Airport has not seen much change.




uses old style maps, surely these should be scotrail?



yeah...there you go guys, the leven branch

 

Ah excellent. Can’t wait to give it a go tonight.

 

Riveting.

 

I really hate the old style map collectibles, looks so much better with the actual TOC maps.

 

Just to say will the 158 timetable services be added soon

 

Has the 170 sound borked? On the PS5, every time I switch to an external view, no matter if I'm at a stand or in motion, it sounds like a fighter jet passing overhead. It was there before but now it's very prominent and very distracting.

 

It'll be added at some point.

 

I did install mods before. So I’ll give it a reinstall to see if anything has changed

 

Agreed. We can report bugs as much as we like but the likelihood of any fixes being made are close to nil. Matt playing dumb earlier in the thread is not a good look - everyone, especially him, know that the route isn't very good. Rivet have only ever made one good route (although I haven't played Bernina yet so I could be wrong and that number will go down to zero), the rest are mid at best.

DTG aren't going to stop publishing the DLC because then they won't have much else going on in TSW now that they've banned third parties from selling independently - which is what killed off Flight Sim World. The only thing we can do is not buy Rivet's routes or trains. I never buy anything for TSW until it's £5 or less, which applies to Rivet's stuff too, because it isn't working and I don't want to support them.

 

You can buy the Blackpool and the new WCML routes from the Just Trains website!

FCL has just had an update.

 

Felt like punishing myself so I played a bit of the route yesterday. 380s at Haymarket and great western GREEN HSTs!? I give up...

 

You mean like these?

 

At this stage, I reckon your more likely to see Coke give their products away for free, than Rivet release any updates.

 

That put a smile on my face

 

Those photos are mine, wasn't until I posted I saw he mentioned 380s at Haymarket not Waverley. So I've got some pics from Google of 380s at Haymarket lol

 

No, it's the new green livery they are in.

 

It's semi accurate, as for a time (as shown in other posts), cascaded HSTs ran in a debranded livery of FGW.

Lets be honest though, Rivet would of just completely abandoned the route had Skyhook not created the Sprinter time table with AI traffic... They didn't have too do that at all. I'm extremely appreciative to Skyhook for giving a route the potential it always deserved. It's a shame Rivet never give this route the love it deserved, as it could of easily been one of the best routes in the game being a full end to end route like London to Brighton.

I'd be very surprised if Edinburgh to Glasgow is revisited or updated by Rivet now. We were promised updated sounds for the 385, but that plan seems to have fallen through now... Even if you can't get real recordings, DTG have managed to pull the Pendolino running sounds and traction motors pretty well.

FCL line seems to also be having trouble implementing the Sprinter timetable from Skyhook. So make of that what you will, I don't think it's a Skyhook problem...

Anyway, I'm developing Rivet-itus so will take a back seat concerning their products for now.

 

Why? What am I missing?

 

380s don't run around Edinburgh anymore...

 

I like how that's four people now that have clearly not played the route and think I'm talking about the FGW livery.

 

The amount of armchair know it alls on here who haven't even played the route since the update! And btw, rivet games' offices are in Stirling, they should get it right.

 

When the FGW livery comes in the GWE remaster, perhaps skyhook could sub it in for the normal GWE HST if that’s more like what happened irl.

 

There's no need to get so shirty with people, calm down...

At the time of producing the updated timetable for EG, the GWR livery was the only HST livery available (well apart from the EMT variant and that would be unrealistic!). It doesn't bother me personally, it's semi believable and does the job for now. Who knows with the release of the GWE remaster which includes debranded FGW power cars we may get an update?

 

You can chose the original timetable or Sprinter timetable mode it isn't forced on you at all.

Theres certainly a decline in the quality of UK content for sure, but I wouldn't say so in this instance, I'd say it's an improvement over the original product.

 

Does the layer selector not work? I don't have the route so can't check.

 

You don't even have to use layer filters, it literally gives you 'Original Timetable' & 'Sprinter Timetable', when choosing the route. So you can chose which one you prefer!

 

I do appreciate what Skyhook has done and use this timetable over the original, but the choice seems to be a relatively quiet timetable with services missing or an unrealistic timetable.

When were class 158's last regularly used on this line?

 

Layer selector can be utilised to make the timetable 'realistic' if so desired - there is another thread on the suggestions forum created by another poster in which I've suggested layer selections should be 'saved' so the player doesn't need to de-select them each time. Personally I like the timetable though, adds more variety.

 

You're right, I shouldn't be irritated by people laughing at me...

 

Oh yeah, whoops. Still, I'm not able to enjoy the update.