German Freight + Pzb

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  1. w2sjw

    w2sjw Active Member

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    Guys,

    Just looking for some clarification on this - I loaded into the Vectron with a mixed container load. I know the PZB setup mode limits you to 40KM/h until you come out to the initialization period. Once I got away from the station, the PZB indication stays at 70KM/h, so I've got the AFB set at 65KM/h. Am I interpreting the indicators correctly & driving at the proper speed, or am I going too slow?

    I know that the German routes operate on signal speed & not maximum track/route speed like they do in the UK. A lot of the YT videos covering PZB mostly stick to passenger operations, but I really want to learn this the right way. I need to go look up what the 'A' and 'R' indicators mean on the signals that would normally show the speed number... PZB.jpg
     
  2. Scott295

    Scott295 Well-Known Member

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    The quick answer is you can drive faster if it is safe to do so. You are driving under mode M so you can go up to a maximum of 125kph. You only need to drop to 70kph if you hit a 1000hz magnet/speed limit drop etc.
     
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  3. cwf.green

    cwf.green Well-Known Member

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    To not get a penalty brake application, what you state is correct. However, the situation is a bit more complex if you want to drive the train realistically. I can't tell the train weight (only that it weighs more than 800t due to the brake mode being in "G") or the consist makeup but is not unlikely that the train wouldn't be allowed more than 100 km/h due to containing loaded wagons that aren't intermodal wagons (these can run at 120 km/h even loaded, as long as the brake performance is sufficient).

    The guide in my signature might have some useful information :)
     
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  4. w2sjw

    w2sjw Active Member

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    Thanks for the prompt reply, guys! Yes, the config screen shows I was in mode 'M' when the scenario started. I know the pause menu shows the total weight of the entire train.

    This consist was all intermodal containers.
     
  5. captaingunadeep

    captaingunadeep Well-Known Member

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    Can anyone help me with red and white shunting signal. What to do when you pass shunting signal. Those magnets always stop the train. Tried all 3 pzb switches still doesn't let me freely pass the shunting signal without stopping me.
     
  6. Myron

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    you need to hold PZB override right before the signal to get past it, keep your speed low though
     
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  7. heliq

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    Wouldn't it be great if there was a tutorial for this in the game? What's the purpose of the tutorial route? Is it for beauty or something?
    I personally learned pzb from Matt's video 2 years ago.
     
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  8. Myron

    Myron Well-Known Member

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    I mean I guess there are but on different routes, also, the TTC doesn't have any PZB equipmemt so a tutorial for that there is nonsense. mabye you'll find one once all your DLC got ported over to TSW4 on release date
     
  9. Queensland coal route IRL I operated, we had to push the button (not called PZB but it is a German based system and I suspect it is just PZB LOL) when near the magnet. Some drivers just push it like you are playing 1942 arcade game! LOL Otherwise a penalty brake......
     
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    I guess it might be something Matt might be interested in doing.

    Of course not in the TC. But on a proper route like Nahverkher Dresden...
     
  11. Myron

    Myron Well-Known Member

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    yeah, I mean TTC is the official acronym, found in formations using godmode where the full formation name is displayed (for the classes 66, 323, 8F)
     
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    This will be hard to look up: You will come across the R between Radebeul-Ost and Dresden-Neustadt, and it means you are being routed via the fast line instead of the S-Bahn line (in which case an S would be shown).
    Around Coswig you will get a C if you're going to Coswig and I think that's also where you get the A for the faster bypass line.
    It's basically your German way of knowing that the signaller didn't mess up your points sending you down the wrong path :D
     
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  13. cwf.green

    cwf.green Well-Known Member

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    Note, the locomotive always starts in "M". So if you want the mode to be accurate to real life you have to verify/set it yourself. It's mostly a matter of how realistic you want your experience to be, although driving a PZB U train at maybe 120 km/h will make it quite likely that you SPAD. :)
     
  14. StenioBlackHawnk

    StenioBlackHawnk Active Member

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    cwf, do you any recomendation what ton should I use for M or even U mode? I always use U mode when 1000T+
     
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    If you don't want to do any more complex calculations, 1600 tons should be a good threshold for U mode.
     
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    Yeah, I'm bad with math so I want a simple thing to use the PZB modes, and thank you btw! How about the brakes mode? R is for passengers and I use the G mode with same thing I did with PZB, I always use G brake when 1000T+
     
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    noir Well-Known Member

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    That's a rather complex calculation in reality, I am just now working on a giant calculator that would do it for you.
    But very simplified would be:
    • Loco to G if weight is over 800 tons
    • First five wagons (or first three if articulated) to G if over 1200 tons
    • Rest of wagons to G if over 2500 tons
    Wagons are switched by a yellow lever usually somewhere in the middle of their side.
     
  18. cwf.green

    cwf.green Well-Known Member

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    Last point is not quite correct if I understand things correctly. For train weights of 2501-4000t rest of the wagons can be in "P" if none of the wagons (or is it on a wagon-by-wagon basis? OpenMinded ) weigh below 40t and aren't permanently coupled (or use a shared bogie).
     
  19. OpenMinded

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    Correct, the English file can be found here:
    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...trains-realistically.44532/page-6#post-410188

    Careful with the German version in the first post in that thread, as some of the statements can be misleading… I keep falling in this trap myself;)
     
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  20. StenioBlackHawnk

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    Oh blimey, do I need to change the wagons too? RIP them... I just switch the loco only lol
     
  21. noir

    noir Well-Known Member

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    I said that it's just a very simplified version :D

    It's probably a good time to update that topic then, it's what most people refer to if I had to guess :)
     

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