Going Overground (v.2) | The Goblin Discussion & Speculation Thread

Yeah thats is a big surprise that i never see coming..... I was thinking the row where the roadmap stream was created is the release line.... Never mind both routes are cool

 

Urban London is nice with freight added, but we should also get the NLL and WLL as a new DLC in future.

Anyways, I kinda wonder if it's worth extending a bit into Ferme Park? At least now we have some more freight variety.

 

Hopefully we get East Ham depot per the current timetable atleast 1 train starts there

 

Depending on future plans of DTG and partners I hope we get the Lee Valley lines in the future, especially the section where it passes the rather distinctive Tottenham Hotspur Stadium at Seven Sisters on the Cheshunt branch, that would look impressive.
Trouble is with those lines they originate at Liverpool Street which would look very empty just with Overground services, but if the plan is to add 720’s (which would make sense given the similarities), then Greater Anglia could be added to the game and everything would look really good.

 

DTG dont care about similarities they couldnt even give us any 377 or 375 variants what makes you think they would make a 720 based on the fact we have a 710.

 

Which is sad. I reckon they should do another UK route alongside Goblin as compared to the other releases they announced its only half a route.

 

Well it isn’t half a route, it’s a full route.

Thats pretty silly logic to use, I don’t see the need for matching milage between countries.

Fife Circle is also on the way at 50 miles long, so it’s not like the UK is being left out.

 

If you think about it, it requires less work than a typical Uk release from DTG as its incredibly short. So I can understand why they said its 'half a route'

 

Depends really, if the scenery is good it will be one of the most dense urban routes in TSW.

 

All it is is duplicating houses modelling a couple sky scrapers

 

"You don't see the need for matching mileage between countries" - of course mileage cannot be matched exactly but the whole point is it's a SHORT route compared to the vast majority of routes made if you look through previous releases, obviously the WSR couldn't be helped as it's a heritage railway.
Fife Circle has zero to do with this release, that's even sillier logic to use.
At the end of the day we all want the best and longest routes we can get and there were plenty of 710 routes around London available as alternatives, I know because I regularly ride them, but sadly some, like yourself, have become used to being fed crumbs rather than a proper meal. I strive for better.

 

So a days run of freight through Gospel Oak from 0000 to 2359.
Note not all services will run.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...2-14/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=freight&order=wtt

Hentis

 

They made a 375, a 377 and a 387. Those are all fairly similar I’d say.

Yes, that is exactly how it works.

 

How is Fife Circle irrelevant when your complaint was that the UK should get another route to bring it upto par with the other announced route milages? Between Goblin & Fife it’s almost perfectly in line.

I never said I would buy this route, for anything over £20 I likely won’t. That doesn’t mean I think just because a route is shorter, that it shouldn’t be made.

LGV for example is several times more milage than this route & don’t think that offers any more value than this route will.

Milage doesn’t automatically equal value.

 

Come on, you can do better than that

 

Can we just be happy that whilst this route is short, it is a complete line?

How many of those do we actually get?

 

On the BML you can can see 377/1 with the original headlight clusters, 377/2, 377/3 377/4 377/6 377/7. I understand not giving us the last 2 as they do have some notable differences. But the rest theres honestly no excuse. On the Chatham Mainline you can find 375/3 375/6 375/7 375/8 and 375/9. The differences between some of these is simply headlights others seating arrangements and one being dual voltage. In my eyes they werent done due to laziness.

 

For those minor differences, it doesn't even make financial sense.

 

Yeah I don’t agree with DTG not even using the variances in 377 & 375’s. To be fair though that did contribute to the significant backlash they got for only releasing electrostar stuff when it came to modern UK content. TSW 2020 & TSW 2 really didn’t have much choice for it back then.

 

I’d argue it doesn’t make much financial sense to do a lot of things in TSW.

 

My “half a route” was just a throwaway comment really that the chosen route was bizarrely short in relative to other routes done in this game generally. I didn’t mean it was half a route in the terms of the Goblin Line obviously. I think that was fairly obvious. As for being in line with other routes who is counting mileage? I certainly am not and neither am I taking the Fife, a completely different dlc, as a substitute in any form.
The majority of us would always opt for a longer route, it’s normal.

 

What about the lack of the 700/1? I mean come on the only difference is the length

 

Pretty sure the /1 has TSO coaches which the /0 doesn’t have. There would be an internal difference.

 

The point is there are plenty of longer and hence more satisfying alternatives for the 710 in London, so they didn’t have to do the Goblin. Besides a full length route shouldn’t be the driving force for any release - very few are.
Lee Valley Lines with 3 destinations or Watford Line would have all been much more up to the accepted standard of release. They are all full length routes that fit DTG parameters too.
I shall be buying the Goblin though as I have no alternative.
If TSC had done this now they would have included the 378 from Gospel Oak to Richmond in the pack, but DTG always seem in such a rush to burp out content then rush into the next one.
Just my opinion.

 

That ‘strive’ didn’t last very long did it?

 

If TSW continues down this line of extremely restricted content I will move back to TSC and play with my 20 pages of trains and 16 pages of routes.

 

I regularly play TSC which I believe has excellent value content compared to TSW. Look at the upcoming remastered Feather Canyon release, around 150 miles of track and multiple engines and rolling stock.
None of this being acclimatised to one power unit per release and having to pay to add a freight wagon in a gameplay pack.
find it really funny when some people say “it’s too much work for DTG” or “it’s too expensive for them.” Hang on a minute their releases are being sold at a very high price point so why the heck shouldn’t we expect the best?

 

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Well as a genuine paying customer and not somebody who won’t be buying the route, I am in my right to give constructive critique and offer alternatives.
If you don’t plan to buy the Goblin why exactly do you feel the need to even comment here?

 

Another London route - fab. Not.

 

Ah yes, because your comments are so constructive.

I’ll be sure to ask your permission before I comment on further threads.

 

The point is we're getting a complete route, even if it short. I'd much rather a short, complete route rather than a longer, incomplete route.

 

So you would rather goblin than Exeter to Reading?

 

No, I'm just happy it's a complete route for a change, despite its short length.

 

We have 1 and thats the tube. 2 if you wanna count BML. The TFl license could have been put to much better use such as the North and West London lines. Goblin is just ugh

 

There are four routes involving London;
- Great Western Express
- Bakerloo Line
- Southeastern Highspeed
- Brighton Mainline
The fifth is Goblin.

 

True, but only one is in London.

 

I feel like the scenery has to be good unless theres another little feature or something hidden out of view at the moment.

 

Technicaly not a single route in TSW trully involve London. So stop arguing. The focus is the quality not the location.

 

I'm going to be pedantic, but technically, that's just a part of London. London is technically made of up various towns as well as the cities of London and Westminster.

But, yeah, quality is the only thing that should matter, not quantity.

 

3 of them are not based in London they just start there. Bakerloo Line and Goblin ARE London routes as they are SOLELY in London.

 

No one cares

 

Okay glad to know! Hope both sides of your pillow are warm.

 

A true London route for me would start or end at Charing Cross, whilst passing Waterloo and London Bridge. 99% of the time when I go to London by train Charing Cross is the stop I get off at. I’m hoping one day we get another southeastern urban commuter route featuring those stations.

 

A route in London is a route in London.

 

Are DTG going to acknowledge the routes new name - The Suffragette line?
London Overground: New names for its six lines revealed - BBC News

 

I don’t think so, its current name is well known and recognisable and none of the station signage and announcements etc in real life are gonna be changed until later this year

 

Could be a good way for DTG to promote the new line name and good for TFL too in that regard. Be nice to be ahead of the curve for a change.
However I guess it would depend on the licensing agreement.

 

Yes. Even if you haven't been there and you don't know anything about it, it's much easier to remember the name by imagining a goblin fantasy creature, and by the way the termini as a gospel choir under an oak tree and a dog barking next to a river.

 

Hopefully not. Goblin is a much better name.