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Gotthardbahn Alpine Classic: Erstfeld - Bellinzona

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by martin-4518, Mar 20, 2021.

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  1. martin-4518

    martin-4518 Well-Known Member

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    Arrived in Switzerland via the Arosa line and therefore another route comes from Switzerland.
    The Gotthard Railway is the second highest standard gauge railway in Switzerland. It was built between 1872 and 1882 and crosses the Alps with the Gotthard tunnel at 1,151 meters above sea level. At the time, the 15 km long Gotthard tunnel was the longest in the world.
    the 110 km long Gotthard route between Erstfeld, on the northern side of the Alps, at an altitude of 472 meters, to Bellinzona in the south, near the Italian border, at an altitude of 241 meters, modeled as it was before the completion of the new Gotthard -Base tunnel ran. Due to the extreme height differences, long ramps are used for the access roads on each side of the tunnel, as well as several spirals inside the mountain.
    Operation of the Gotthard Railway is challenging and varied and includes both regional and interregional passenger transport as well as important freight transports to supply industries. Many are led by SBB's fleet of sleek Re 460 locomotives. Control car variants of the EWIV passenger car can also top the line, with a 460 pushing the train.
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    Extreme differences in height, which provide unique panoramas at every curve, have made the classic Gotthard Railway world famous.
     
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  2. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Excellent idea and you just brought in another classic TS21 route to Train Sim World so that console players can see what they are actually missing. unlike the PC players which can have train Sim world and train Sim 21. How about making this set to present day to which you have the option of using the new Gotthard Base Tunnel and the old route. If you are playing time table mode the trains that require the base tunnel are rolling highways that is basically SBB-CFF-FFS RE 474 & 484s pulling a passenger coaches and flatbed wagons with Lorries General Freight & high-speed tilting trains like the ETR610. Old route RE460 with panoramic coaches and Rabe 524s Airolo-Bellinzona.
     
  3. kennyjamesscott

    kennyjamesscott Well-Known Member

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    Would be great to see it happen
     
  4. jeanmarc094

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    i can rivet making it
     
  5. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    I agree since Rivet Game made The Arosa Line RhB. If they want to make this one you need to have to routes one is the base tunnel provided the timetable mood requires you to operate heavy goods trains. That includes rolling highway basically lorries carried on trains with a passenger coach behind the locomotive Rabe 503 in Italy ETR610 Rabe 501 low floor high-speed train. The old route via Göschenen uses special panoramic coaches and regional trains. Rivet Games made a Gotthard Bahn Manual for Sister Game Train Sim 21. For the TSW2 manual console, controls need to be added like the B button Xbox One SeriesX/S for Integra Signum while PS4/PS5 uses the Circle Button to acknowledge Integra Signum.
     
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    The base tunnel wouldn't be interesting - 20-30 mins end to end all in a level single track tunnel? The scenery and challenge of the gradients are much better from a player perspective on the old line.
     
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    I'd certainly prefer 90 mins of this
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    To 20 mins of this
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  8. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    I agree and for the old route via Göschenen the banking locomotive gets attached at Erstfeld towards Milan via Chiasso Border Station but detached at Bellinzona. Northbound to Zurich banking locomotive gets attached at Bellinzona and detached at Erstfeld. If they wanted a journey mode Banking Driver duty via the old route. This way Gotthard Bahn mirrors the Pre 2017 Main Spessart Bahn Aschaffenburg-Gemünden Banking locomotive operation. If they decided to have the old route via Göschenen and the new base tunnel what will happen is this heavy goods trains go to the base tunnel while a double formation locomotive Re420 & Re620 or Re484 & Re474 goes via Göschenen. ETR610 Rabe 503 Stadler 501 & Rabe 500 go via Base Tunnel in normal timetable mode. Although they can also go via Göschenen if there's a scenario that had the base tunnel closed for work. One of the Achievements might be Alpine Rocket reach 250km/h 155 mph on ETR610
     
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  9. martin-4518

    martin-4518 Well-Known Member

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    I have a couple of screenshots from the track in TS 2021
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    The journey in the 15 km long Gotthard tunnel between Göschenen and Airolo, if you drive the entire route, takes about 8 minutes
     
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    martin-4518 Well-Known Member

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    a few screenshots from TS 2021 from Rabe524 from SBB for reginaol traffic
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    the orginale Rabe524
    on Largo Maggiore
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    110 km... Total miss (nobody will build that huge route for TSW)
     
  12. martin-4518

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    Then on from Bellinzona via Cadenazzo-Luino is a single-track railway line, which is operated by the Swiss Federal Railways (SBB) and the Italian Rete Ferroviaria Italiana (RFI). It connects Bellinzona in Switzerland with Luino in Italy and is one of the three southern feeder lines of the Gotthard Railway built by the Gotthard Railway Company. The line branches off at Cadenazzo from the Giubiasco – Locarno railway line and is now mainly used for freight traffic. In passenger transport, it is served by the TILO trains of the S 30 to largo Maggiore.[​IMG]
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    The route begins at the Cadenazzo train station and runs parallel to the route to Locarno as far as the Cadenazzo Ovest service station. The two tracks were originally operated as two single-track sections, but today they form an approximately one-kilometer-long double-track section in which two lane changes have been installed. While the route to Locarno turns west into the Magadino plain, the route to Luino continues to follow the foothills of Monte Ceneri. From the Magadino-Vira station, the route leads along a winding route along the shores of Lake Maggiore. At Ranzo-Sant’Abbondio, the border between Switzerland and Italy is crossed. Ten tunnels are driven through on the almost 15-kilometer-long section, the longest is 686 meters long and is just before Luino.

    The maximum gradient of the route is 8 ‰ in the north and 10 ‰ in the south.
     
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  13. martin-4518

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    in TS2021 the track was built by Rivet Games
     
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    The railway line to Locarno was traditionally also served by express trains until the Gotthard Base Tunnel went into operation (December 2016). While the fast InterCity connections (IC / ICN) and the cross-border EuroCity trains (EC / CIS) - the so-called “high quality” passenger transport - are reserved for the main route to Lugano – Chiasso, InterRegio (IR) ran every hour to Locarno with a stopover Cadenazzo. These were the two bi-hourly IR train lines Basel – Lucerne – Locarno and Zurich – Zug – Locarno, which overlap on the Gotthard Railway Section Arth-Goldau – Bellinzona – Locarno and run every hour there. Today, two InterCity trains per day run from Basel via Lucerne and the Gotthard Base Tunnel to Locarno. These trains run between Bellinzona and Locarno without stopping.

    Regional traffic has been marketed as part of the Ticino S-Bahn since 2004 and run by the SBB subsidiary TILO. The half-hourly S20 (Bellinzona – Locarno) serves the entire route with all regular stops. The cross-border S30 (Cadenazzo – Luino) runs the Giubiasco – Cadenazzo section with certain train extensions from / to Bellinzona.[​IMG]
     
  15. driverwoods#1787

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    Speaking of the S30 it's actually operated as Bellinzona Malpensa Airport pre COVID-19 pandemic. If the 2017 Gotthard Bahn is made ETR610 can just cruise at 250 kmh via Base Tunnel
     
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    SBB Gotthard Railway: Lucerne - Erstfeld (Northern Valley Railway)
    From Lucerne, the route leads along the southern shore of Lake Zug and below the Rigi to the Arth-Goldau train station (510m above sea level). At Arth-Goldau station, the Gotthard Railway joins the line coming from Zurich - Zug. The main line of the Southeast Railway branches off in Arth-Goldau, which leads via Sattel and Biberbrugg to Rapperswil on Lake Zurich and with a branch to Einsiedeln. In Arth-Goldau Bf, the Gotthard Railway passes under the former high station of the Arth-Rigi Railway. From Arth-Goldau the railway line leads past the east side of the Lauerzersee to the canton capital Schwyz (455m above sea level). In Brunnen, it reaches Lake Uri, the southern part of Lake Lucerne. To the south of the Brunnen station, the tracks of the 12-kilometer separate route share and lead through various tunnels and galleries on the Axenberg and over the Gruonbach. At Sisikon, the route crosses the border between the cantons of Schwyz and Uri. At Flüelen it reaches the southern tip of Lake Lucerne and the Reuss plain. The railway line leads via Altdorf - past the north portal of the Gotthard base tunnel - to Erstfeld (472 m above sea level), where the Gotthard north ramp begins to Göschenen.[​IMG]
    In the Katonen Schwyz, Uri and Nidwalden they speak the 4th language in Switzerland. Many think that people only speak 3 languages in Switzerland. It's not like this. it is known that in some Katonen you speak German, French and Italian. In the original cartons Schwyz, Uri and Nidwalden, one still speaks Rätoromanisch.
     
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  17. martin-4518

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    My suggestion would be to split the Gotthard Railway into several parts.
    the 1st section from Lucerne to Göschenen through the German-speaking area.
    The other section in Katon Tessin (Italian Switzerland) in 2 sections. From Airolo to Bellinzona and the other section from Bellinzona to Como.
    This would have covered the entire Gotthard Railway.
     
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  18. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    By the way you have to consider this Ceneri Base Tunnel is opened since December 2020. You have an option keep the route pre 2020 Gotthard Bahn South Bellinzona Chiasso or 2020 with Ceneri Base Tunnel.
     

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