Gwe Remaster: Appreciation And Discussion Thread

but the D-stock was withdrawn in 2017.

 

So it is correct to include it in the 2016 timetable, right? The name may say 2017, but the timetable is 2016.

I wonder why previous timetables can't be renamed...

 

yeah and the GWE class 387 came to service so it makes sense that it is mid 2016

 

its weird if the route was set in 2017

 

Puts the argument about no 800 to bed then.

 

Would be a bit pointless for a class 800 DLC anyway IMO (only a 20-25 min journey).

 

Ok makes more sense now.

 

Does this include adding suspension?

 

Yeah

 

Thames Turbo Trains at: West Ealing -12 July, 2017 (youtube.com) This is probably a good representation of what the trains should be like on the remaster. (it has the 387 GWR Hayes and Harlington shuttle) also the 360 is a 387 hx in game. (basically anthing from 2016 to august 2017 is what it will look like)

 

For me I think DTG missed an opportunity not having Paddington to Bristol even into Wales but that was probably wishful thinking. If the number of stations were a problem they could of done just the larger ones. Would be the best route by far imo.

I too loved the smell of Diesel and remember the smell of 'burnt rubber' when the HST used to come in, loved it.

 

Curious question, will the new timetable include fixing the gaps on the current stopping services? An example of this are some stations have 90 minute gals whilst playing.

 

I presume that now we have the faux 165/1s, there will now be more available units to operate the services that are currently missing. The Class 166s alone did not have enough units to do this. As I have stated before, I love the place holders in the renumbered 166s, the 484 D stock and the 72 stock which should suffice until such time as someone creates the real versions of these types if this were ever to happen. I have the same standpoint on branding/debranding unobtainable licences. Anything is better than nothing especially short term.

 

Why didn't they just do a 165 instead in the first place? They're more numerous. I believe the existing timetable has issues with reusing numbers although I've never checked.

 

I am sure I recall seeing the same class 166 twice on a timetabled run in the past, I recall commenting about it on here.

I agree a class 165 would have been a much better choice than the class 166, it was a 166 which came with the original RSC Paddington to Oxford too TS Classic route. I wonder if they used the source material for that to make the one from GWE.

 

Yes the 165 would have been the more logical choice on the stoppers. The 166’s were generally allocated on the North Downs services, or the semi fast services to Oxford, the Cotswold Line stoppers or the Newbury and Bedwyn services.

 

It seems like a no brainer to me but I fail to understand why they didn't make them. Doing the work alongside the 166 would have eliminated the need to start again in future as around 90% of the type would be identical and have provided a vastly larger fleet from day one.

 

Maybe a 166 was all they had access to (similar to why they chose a class 801 instead of a class 800)

I'm probably wrong, but it could be true...

 

They had to make 3 brand new trains at that time. Then there's access

 

It might have been answered already, but will the new timetable also use the Cargo Line packs?

 

I would assume so - the current timetable does, so I don't see why the new one wouldn't.
I will however say; don't take my word on this, since I've not heard much about the timetable - I will have a quick look now if I can find it though.

 

If the route was based in 2017 it would have been overhead since it was done on January 2nd up to reading. I know it is still based in 2016 from late 2017 you would have overhead and new trains compared to now. That was the huge change in era's of the GWML.

Exited for the roadmap on the 8th

 

DTG Liam DTG Liam thank you for the work done. I want to clarify one question, not quite on this topic - "do you have plans to implement suspension in the Somerset improvements?"

Will Class 33 and Class 20 appear in the new timetable?

 

I seem to recall in a very old thread Matt (or someone) stating the route state is that of September 2016.

 

Which tracks with when they likely started development, as it initially released in September 2017.

 

I didn't mean like that, I meant in real life that's when it came just as a fact. I wasnt saying the route should have overhead

 

Right. I would venture the route reflects the date DTG did their survey, which likely was a year before release.

Besides, I think that the route was built as a showcase for the HST, in its last hurrah as "Queen of the Mainline" before being demoted to regional service. Adding 800s would, besides development time and cost, have interfered with that. (As a side note, at this time DTG had only undertaken the modeling of diesels in Simugraph. Their first electric was the 1442 in Rapid Transit. If I'm not mistaken, the GWML was the last all-diesel main line in Britain)

 

Chiltern Mainline, I would argue that counts. The GW were certainly the last all diesel high speed line in Britain though.

 

Could also argue the Midland Mainline.

 

I were going to say that, but the southern part has been electrified for a fair while now. The IC services no doubt diesel, but hasn't been all diesel for a good few years with TL and now EMR Connect on stoppers.

 

Why can't we have a fully overhead wiring from paddington to reading but using the Elizabeth line stations and having the GWR stations debranded

 

Cause that involves a ton of work to do, creating new station models, bringing the scenery up to date for the new era you'd be setting it in. And this is pretty much solely the work of DTG Liam, so that'd be a lot of work for 1 person to take on. It's just not realistic and is completely out of the scope of such a project.

But don't get me wrong, I'd love to see that as well - the GWML is my favourite main line in the UK (if it wasn't obvious from the pfp lol), and I'd love to see it get a modern up to date rendition. But at that point, you're really just better off creating the Elizabeth line as a brand new route, with all it's various branches and the 345 anyway.

 

There's also the lack of the gwr license so even if they could, they wouldn't be able to create any of the rolling stock which makes a modern overhaul pointless

 

True, I guess the key word was 'all'.

If we want to get pedantic though, the Highland Main Line and North Wales Main Line are both diesel their full length iirc. Depends on your definition of 'Main Line'.

 

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Oh yes they would!

 

Yeah but this is the same timetable as will be used just there wont be overhead between hayes and reading because its mainly based in late 2016 for the buildings and main route with a early 2017 timetable. liam even responded saying "not far off the new timetable".

5hrs and 26mins until the roadmap

 

yeah even if it's unbranded its good but the rest of DTG needs to be helping otherwise it wont happen, it's way too much for 1 person.

 

aah

 

No license means no access to reference material so they wouldn't be able to create the gwr specific specd rolling stock.

 

They can still get it the same way unofficial games do just unlicensed (they might have incorrect stats)

 

You do realise they're adding the GWR 387s with this remaster, right?

 

I fathom the release date will be announced or teased. Additionally what time is the roadmap published usually?

 

It is, however, just a reskinned Class 387/2 that layers in from London Commuter. I don't know if the 387/1s that GWR uses are any different to the /2s that Gatwick Express uses.

Perhaps a better example would be Island Line 2022. Rivet Games didn't have a licence for that (maybe they were trying to get one), but managed to make a Class 484 (not sure if it is a good depiction of one).

 

I define those as the Welsh and Scottish getting jealous.

The Welsh certainly have a bigger case for North Wales than the Scots do for the Highland line.

 

They can easily not put on branding. It's the actual creating the train. They still need access to it since they can't just use the 801 otherwise you'll have the unhappy players saying it's not realistic.

 

With the current Rivet sale, what do I need in prep for the GWE update, is it just the 484 or do I need the route Island Line including the 484?

 

Diesel Legends of the great Western, wsr, flying scotsman, cargo line vol 1 and 2, bml for the 387

 

I have those, it's just the 484 I'm missing, I'm not sure if this comes with a route or I just buy it stand alone for it to appear in future GWE upgrade