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Highspeed Route: London-ashford

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by laslauvlad#3458, Apr 21, 2021.

  1. laslauvlad#3458

    laslauvlad#3458 New Member

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    We're on the Highspeed London-Ashford Route.
    Starting on London St. Pancras International[​IMG]

    We are on St. Pancras, with many long platforms used by Eurostar, Southeastern Highspeed, East Midlands Railway and a little bit of Thameslink. This station is the most beautiful, used of service and longest of the Route. And Safety Systems on This Station are used of KVB from the French Safety Systems (For Eurostar and Southeastern Highspeed) and AWS (For East Midlands Railway and Thameslink)
    This Station could be Used for routes:
    (EMR) To Nottingham / Leeds and others
    (SEHS) To Faversham / Maidstone West / Margate and others
    (Eurostar) To Paris / Brussels and others
    (Thameslink) To Bedford / Brighton and others

    We are now moving to Stratford International
    [​IMG]


    We are on Stratford International, with 4 platforms, the Eurostar will not stop at that station. However, the station is being used by Southeastern Highspeed, and the Safety Systems are only used by TVM. The station seems to have 7 rails in total: 4 Stopper (SEHS), 2 Non-stopper (SEHS, Eurostar) , 1 Eurostar Use (Eurostar).

    We are now moving to Ebbsfleet International
    [​IMG]


    We are on Ebbsfleet International, where the TVM ends, starts and continues and where AWS starts and ends. This station is both for Eurostar and Southeastern Highspeed. Eurostar can go non-stopper and stopper on this station but the Southeastern Highspeed will only do stopper. Must note that in likely a mile, the Eurostar will receive a 300 km/h speed limit after passing Ebbsfleet International.

    We are now moving to Ashford International
    [​IMG]


    We are on Ashford International, where this route ends, but for both of the services Eurostar will continue and Southeastern Highspeed will continue or end. Eurostar will still be able to do a non-stop or stop the station. As it is for SEHS Class 395 to change from 25kV AC to 750V DC to continue. This station is also used by Southern on route to Eastbourne.


    Trains:

    TGV TMST / Class 373 "e300"[​IMG]

    The Class 373 is an old Eurostar that is French made and can run on 300 km/h / 186 mph , has 12 Short Coaches, 2 Long Coaches (Restaurant and Lounge), and 2 Long Coaches with Engine and 2 Driving Engine Cab which is 387 metres and has like 558 seats or more.

    Class 395 "SEHS"
    [​IMG]

    The Class 395 is a Japanese SEHS train that can run 140 mph / 225 km/h, has 6 coaches which is 121.3 metres long and has 340 (+12) seats.

    Thoughts: I was really thinking about that, this is the first ever UK route that will be more than 125 mph.
     
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  2. dodgydaz#5652

    dodgydaz#5652 New Member

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    You do realise that this is allready in the game right?
     
  3. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    First part to Ebbsfleet is SEHS. The Missing segment is Ebbsfleet to Ashford International for this route to work. If DTG does obtain Eurostar and Channel Tunnel license then Ashford to Paris Gare Du Nord via Calais and Lille Europe forming London to Paris High Speed line. That includes Fretin Triangle for Brussels.
     
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  4. saltychipz#3569

    saltychipz#3569 Well-Known Member

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    No it’s not , that is St Pancras-Faversham, this is st Pancras-ashford . They are different lines that connect
     
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  5. creeperblox2710

    creeperblox2710 Well-Known Member

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    Why Channel Tunnel license though? The Route isnt gonna go into a 30 minute long tunnel
     
  6. saltychipz#3569

    saltychipz#3569 Well-Known Member

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    Because the Eurostar is highly requested , but it looks unlikely we will get a Eurostar route soon
     
  7. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Channel tunnel is actually owned by getlink which has Class 92 Channel tunnel capable electric locomotive for freight services on high-speed one and it has the logo of the channel tunnel on the sides the ones that are owned by Getlink. Provided Dovetail games wanted a freight service towards Barking using HS1 London to Ashford International using Class 92 locomotives owned by Getlink. Assuming ebbsfleet to Ashford International gets merged with Southeast High Speed.
     
  8. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    as much as I hate to put Eurostar down because i would like it, the route length is impossible with the current capabilities of the game. And as much as Eurostar is interesting tunnels get boring quick.
     
  9. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    If it was going to be done, would probably have been part of SEHS. Personally unless you get the whole line to Paris or Brussels which is never going to happen, I really don't see the point of extending what is there so you can spend ~10 minutes more hurtling along at 140 MPH through flat scenery.
     
  10. fabdiva

    fabdiva Well-Known Member

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    HS1 though Kent isn't that bad, though it's mostly Noise Walls and Tunnels. Northern France meanwhile is flat and featureless - and a Paris service would be 2.5 hours of driving non stop mostly on cruise control!
     
  11. hoagy

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    "We are on Ebbsfleet International, where the TVM ends, starts and continues and where AWS starts and ends"

    For SEHS, but surely if you're continuing down HS1 to Ashford then you're still on TVM?
     
  12. saltychipz#3569

    saltychipz#3569 Well-Known Member

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    Yep , HS1 continues along until Dover I believe
     
  13. Commiee

    Commiee Active Member

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    Is this the route with Maidstone West? I watched a PTGRail video from TS Classic and that line looked really nice. If it's that one, I'd definitely want this in TSW2.
     
  14. fabdiva

    fabdiva Well-Known Member

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    Dollands Moor (West of Folkestone) is the end, HS1 joins the freight lines into the Tunnel - that said Domestic services leave at Ashford and use the classic lines east of Ashford. That's the last direct connection between HS1 and the classic lines before the tunnel. There is a connection at Dollands Moor, but that would need a lot of shunting through the freight yard.
     
  15. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    St Pancras is actually FIVE distinct stations.
    1. The Eurostar platforms (the really long ones shown in the picture) are solely used by Eurostar
    2. To the back right of the picture are platforms 11-13 which are solely used by SEHS
    3. To the back left of the picture are platforms 1-4 which are solely used by EMR
    4. The Thameslink station is underground (platforms A and B)
    5. The London Underground station is part of the Kings Cross / St Pancras LUL complex which has loads of underground lines over a large area
    The lines from the Eurostar and SEHS stations merge outside of the station and continue to Stratford and beyond
    The lines from the EMR and one half of the Thameslink lines merge north of St Pancras and continue to Luton, Bedford etc (the other Thameslink lines splits just after STP and head off towards Cambridge

    The platforms shown are "Ebbsfleet low level" platforms 1-4. These are ALL on the high speed line and TVM continues throughout. The "upper level platforms" are the ones where TVM ends and "BR normal" starts, as well as switching from OHLE to third rail power
     
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  16. fabdiva

    fabdiva Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, and you can't enter the Eurostar platforms without passing security and French passport control. One reason the international part of station is large is that it's not permitted to have arriving and departing passengers mixing, so boarding and deboarding can not take place on the same platform island simultaneously
     
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  17. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Plus the Eurostar trains are very very long compared to the SEHS and EMR ones
     
  18. rhyttik

    rhyttik Active Member

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    i have suggested Eurostar and i found out its not a good idea due to lisencing problems.
     
  19. elaineedwards2013

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    Power Changes for the E300 (373) Eurostar:
    London St Pancras to Paris Gare Du Nord:
    1. HS~ 25Kv AC on British High Speed Lines (HS1) to EuroTunnel 25Kv AC (ET~).
    2. EuroTunnel 25Kv AC to Grande Vitesse 25Kv AC on French High Speed Lines (GV~).
    3. Grande Vitesse 25KV AC to 25Kv AC on French Standard Lines, passing through Lille. GV~ to F~
    4. F~ 25Kv AC on French Standard Lines to Grande Vitesse 25Kv AC (GV~).
    5. Grande Vitesse 25Kv AC to F~ 25Kv AC, Classic Line into Paris Gare Du Nord.

    London St Pancras to Brussels Midi:
    1. HS~ 25Kv AC on British High Speed Lines (HS1) to EuroTunnel 25Kv AC (ET~).
    2. EuroTunnel 25Kv AC to Grande Vitesse 25Kv AC on French High Speed Lines (GV~).
    3. Grande Vitesse 25KV AC to 25Kv AC on French Standard Lines, passing through Lille. GV~ to F~
    4. F~ 25Kv AC on French Standard Lines to Grande Vitesse 25Kv AC (GV~).
    5. Grande Vitesse 25Kv AC to Belgium 3000V DC (B=) on Classic line into Brussels Midi.

    Voltages:
    F= -
    French 1500V DC on French Classic Lines.

    B=
    - Belgium 3000V DC on Classic Line in Brussels Midi.

    F~
    - French 25Kv AC on French Standard Lines, passing though Lillie Europe and Classic Line into Paris Gare Du Nord.

    GV~
    - Grande Vitesse 25Kv AC on French High Speed Lines (LGV Nord/Belgium High Speed Line 1).

    ET~
    - EuroTunnel (Channel Tunnel) 25Kv AC.

    BR=
    - British 750 DC Third Rail Supply (not used anymore).

    HS~
    - British 25Kv AC on High Speed 1 (HS1).

    BR~ - British 25Kv AC on Standard British Lines (used by Eurostar’s on ECML for GNER).

    Signalling Systems:
    AWS/TPWS
    = High Speed 1.

    KVB = French Classic Lines (Classic Line into/out of Paris Gare Du Nord), on approach to London St Pancras.

    TVM = French High Speed Lines (LGV Nord and Belgium High Speed Line 1) and HS1.

    TBL = Classic Line between Brussels Midi and Belgium High Speed Line 1 (HSL1), similar to AWS.

    VACMA = Used throughout the whole journey, alerts (checks) the driver’s progress.

    Note: This is if DTG can get the license for Eurostar
     
  20. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Let me see that's where Class 92s the channel tunnel locomotives are found in addition to working alongside Class 08 shunters from TVL. On the Calais Side Class 92 Channel tunnel Freight locomotives are detached in order to couple to a SNCB HLE13 SNCF BB370000.
     
  21. rhyttik

    rhyttik Active Member

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    it doesn't bc the channeltunnel british portal is at Folkstone
     
  22. laslauvlad#3458

    laslauvlad#3458 New Member

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    Becuase of eurostar, yes the TVM continues to Ashford
     
  23. laslauvlad#3458

    laslauvlad#3458 New Member

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    The AWS and TPWS, i don't really think it is a part of it anymore since November 13 2007, same as the Third Rail. because Eurostar Platforms including the Southeastern Highspeed on Saint Pancras International has KVB and then after leaving the station, then the TVM would come
     
  24. fabdiva

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    Ashford had AWS - it was converted to KVB at the start of last year, just before the rona hit. 374s don't have AWS or TPWS
     
  25. elaineedwards2013

    elaineedwards2013 Active Member

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    Oh I see. Didn’t know that, thanks. But still would like the 373 TMST Eurostar (e300) in the game.
     

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