Horseshoe Curve Lighting Has Gone Nuclear?

there’s a lot more range in the tsw3 on this one but it’s the blown out highlights that ruin it a bit

 

Well, if you insist, you're crazy

But seriously though, the ballast looks more like snow in the TSW3 example, and shadows are practically invisible..

 

Get on it, Chief!

 

Matt

Just from a consistency perspective i've used

HLL Bargteide return and then used the 8 cam
Sandpatch was Clear cut as scenario opened
DCZ was Traffic Jam.

Clinchfield - The set up - TSW2 Up top, 3 below. To be fair in this example TSW3 the image isnt as warm and looks more natural and when there is a mix of high and low range here balances ok

 

Peninsula Corridor dirty dirty drive - This appears to be the other way around where to my eyes TSW2 looks a lot better.

TSW2 - In this example there is a good detail in the shadows on the left demonstrated by the detail in the sky, mid range there is some detail but we don't quite get all the way to the right of the histogram and see true white though you can see red blue and green channels are totally blown out.



TSW3 - This one, we have lost all detail in the sky and there is now less detail in the shadows, the right of the histogram being lower and the left side all three blown out before true white.


(Incidentally I can see how much detail I've lost in TSW3 in the grass to retain a decent framerate)

 

Final one, still dirty dirty drive on peninsula

TSW2 - Detail in the sky and the oncoming train lights don't look too bad. Similarly well spread histogram



TSW3 -Brighter image overall, all sky detail gone.




TrainSim-Matt I hope this helps seeing the histograms. I'm not sure what's at play but if I look at it through a photographers lens, to me it seems like some of the routes have ended up a stop or two more exposed. You can see in many of the shots you're losing shadow and low range detail yet the high end its being ramped up. I think it seems like it shifting the whole exposure up a step or two rather than balancing it out.

Just as an example if you overlay both TSW2 and 3 you can see when you layer mask how dark the sky was to how it is now. The sign is a standout for me too with a marked difference between the two shots.


I guess this is what is contributing to some of the queries on the forum about bloom SOS is particularly harsh in its visuals but I've left this as I don't know if the builds are the same.
Kr.

 

More than welcome Matt. I have to balance my grumbles occasionally with some constructive help

Just checked the grass and it's ultra on both versions.

 

I just want to point out that you're using ini edits on those Clinchfield shots. They're not accurate to TSW2 with the proper settings. The first Peninsula Corridor shot also looks like it's using ini edits too.

 

It looks to me like a Tonemapper filter is being used? Also, TSW2 is being run in DX12 mode, not that that should change the appearance but it means perhaps it's not as thoroughly "vanilla" as originally thought. Definitely double check your Engine.ini chieflongshin!!

Cheers

 

Yeah, the sky and slightly off colouring on the ground gave it away. I remember it from trying LondonMidland's ini file a while back but found it made the game look worse so went back to default.

 

I just have and I might have to eat a bit of humble pie here. I did a fresh installation of TSW2 today but It seems like it's pulled some stuff over. I still think TSW3 has some bits blown out on which we can see in the histograms but yes TSW2 shots were a bit off. Amends below. The tone mapper I don't believe would impact exposure hopefully.

Thank you Callum, Sonic, Apologies Matt. I have wiped the ini file now.

 

Just as a sense check, this is TSW2 with no edits following my bumble and you can see in the main the histogram, exposure chart is nigh on the same. The only difference the ini edit had made was pulling the RGB channels slightly wider apart. It still seems to show slightly better than 3 in terms of a balance across the spectrum

 

the TSW3 pic here almost looks like the light's passing through fog.

Here's one for you, this shot is very close to one that made it into the loading screens a while back. I don't imagine you could reproduce that same framing perfectly in TSW3 could you? That was a fantastic shot. curious to see it matched in TSW3

 

THIS is what I was trying to get at. It’s quite noticeable when dynamic weather is enabled.

Full sun - fine
Partial cloud - weirdly over brightens and washes everything out
Full cloud - fine - although I feel there still needs to be some shadows casted. Especially under bridges etc.

 

Yes, I have to agree with MP. The lighting on the TSW2 routes in TSW3, is, at the very least, unchanged. Actually, the lighting on SPG, which was already very good, might be even better in TSW3 ( optical illusion? ). Certainly the lighting on CJP, along with the new sky and clouds, is excellent day and night. Even the headlights on the Gevo and, especially, the SD40-2 are working like they should.

As I said elsewhere, Cajon Pass has, in my eyes, somehow, 5 years on, recaptured the style, class and quality of Sand Patch.

 

I can definitely see how this can interact with dynamic weather to give results where it's potentially showing up a lot more, where the clouds would be consistently absent in TSW2 if they weren't there to begin with.

 

Cajon scenes with clouds are epic in the morning and evening!.

Regarding the cloud issue you've spotted Matt, is that something which can be resolved or is that a software limitation?

 

In the meantime, this will help tone-down HSC to a livable level: https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/m...ents/f4946-bescot-tsw3-hsc-bloomreduction.pak