How Do You Feel About Yet Another Dlc Release.?

Yes and no buffet cars which would have been almost unknown on a long distance service in the 1950's and early 1960's unless they were relief services.

Even the Lima catalogue of 1979 has buffet cars!

It is nice they are creating historic routes but at least try and give them a bit more of a sense of realism. I understand they can't create anything in one go but to have a route with no local passenger services and an empty timetable and a new route with what looks like some fantasy, with cobbled together local services and the silly start and end points, it seems like a half hearted attempt. SOS would be one of my favourite routes with the steam experience fixed and a couple of items of DLC, especially with some LMS period 3 carriages.

I do actually think a shortish branchline might have been a good starter point for steam on TSW.

Something like the Yelverton and Princetown branches with a GWR 44xx and 57xx some wagons and a B set. Something self contained with enough stock to run it realistically with passenger trains, pick up freights and mixed trains. Could have been very interesting and atmospheric.

Although no doubt instead of a B set we would have got two chocolate and cream mark 1's coupled together!

 

DLC?
What DLC?
I just took forza horizon 4 on sale, I don't really have time for super buggy TSW3.
Ha yes, I much prefer the old TSC by far.
And yes, the old TS is still better than this super buggy TSW3.
In short, DTG, you still have my money but on the old one.
I don't want the super buggy TSW3 anymore.
DTG, did you seriously think old TSC was gonna die?
Face it, on PC there are more people who play TSC than TSW3 super buggy .....

 

Strangely they are releasing the DLCs without the possibility of previewing, always leaving it to the last minute, without the community having the opportunity to visualize the problems and report them.

Wonder why this is happening lately? Previously, DTG was more open about this, but now it seems that they are "hiding". See the absurd cases of New York - Trenton, Edinburg - Glasgow and MML, where there was only one live transmission.

If possible, would we like explanations from DTG about this, and especially why the routes are empty? Things done in a hurry without having the quality claimed by everyone? Very strange...

 

DTG previews used to be frank open and honest and we saw the good, the bad and ugly. Which meant at the very least we knew exactly what we was purchasing.

Since around TSW3 launch there's been a marked shift in policy, and now the (minimal) preview streams are nothing more than slick, heavily scripted marketing presentations aimed to show off the highlights of a route whilst ignoring any negatives or concerns raised by the audience. Whilst the community managers (who by their own admittance have little interest in trains generally) wax lyrically about some minor graphical highlight, or announcing the arrival of an ambassador into the chat.

It might be a coincidence that this period has also seen a reduction in quality, but the cynic inside my head says it's linked.

I've now less and less inclination to make sure I watch any previews live and unless I'm interested in the route already I rarely even watch later on YouTube. All this means I'm less engaged with the brand then I was this time last year.

 

I had a recent urge to drive steam and return to SOS. 6 timetable runs attempted, 4 'service failues' for an unspecified reason. 1 run got stuck uncompletable because the stop marker took you half onto the turntable but never said to turn, so I didn't and got stuck later in the run the wrong way around. Oh and 1 SPAD because I'd become complacement and forgot how much more on the ball you need to be driving steam

Couldn't buy another till that is fixed. It has been too long.

 

This will be the fourth UK route in succession that I won’t have bought. I’m unlikely to have bought any of them at release anyway but I would have to think twice before buying any of them in a sale at the moment. You can add NEC and many loco DLC and expansion packs to the list of stuff that I have left in the shop. A mixture of lack of interest, fear of bugs, and the poor quality that I’ve seen in streams and on the forum has brought me to this point. I have bought the last three German routes, two at release and Bremen in a sale and I am quite happy to have those and the first loco pack for the core routes as my only TSW3 DLC content plus the Elf that was just a bit of fun. Prior to that I have every route and most loco DLC from TSW2.

I don’t think TSW3 is worse than TSW2 but I haven’t been happy with the state of a lot of the content that has come since its release. It’s not even the route or train choices that have been presented but the way they have been presented in an unfinished state. Clearly unfinished in a lot of cases.

I’m too busy to care that much though because I am happily playing what is playable in the German content I have acquired and all my old routes up to and including the three that came with the TSW3 launch. I thought that I would want all UK content that comes along but I have no issue leaving successive multiple units that come on mediocre routes in the shop if the quality isn’t there. It’s all so uninspiring. Steam is a much more appealing thought but I’d have to see it working well and then wait for a sale. How much I care about this stuff won’t change how much DTG care about it so I don’t feel guilty not having a cow over it and it can get a bit tiresome complaining on the forum all the time.

So what are the prospects for more steam?

My local route is SoS and that has to be the route that is most broken. There are so many things wrong with it, not even in what is represented but rather how much that is there doesn’t work. There is very little in it that does work. It’s a horror show. It’s worse in TSW3 than it was in TSW2 despite having some work done to include it in the deluxe release package for TSW3. Not only did it have all the bugs from release but the train physics were completely ruined. A bigger horror show. Still nothing has been fixed. Still the trains are reused. I wouldn’t blame a single person for not touching this new steam route with a very long pole.

 

Absolutely this..... I couldn't have put this better, particularly the clutching of snake oil at minor things

 

And the overuse of the word "authentic". Other adjectives are available.

 

I do understand where you're coming from. In fact, I'd say 80-90% of what I experience in TSW is fantastic, I can play routes like Bakerloo, Boston and East Coastway until the end of days with no grievances whatsoever. Like you said, no other simulation equals this.

It's the other 10-20% that can get really frustrating, such as hopping into a route tutorial on a new purchase, spending 15 minutes trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong, then hopping on a message board to discover the tutorial's been broken for ages. Or spending an hour on a timetable only to get stuck behind a parked train at the very end because I made the unfortunate error of saving and resuming my progress (a feature that works in... well, just about every other video game out there). Or purchasing DLC only to discover that some of it's where it's supposed to be in the menus, some of it isn't.

I'm not talking about typos, audiovisual hiccups, regional accuracy, or even sparse timetables. I'm talking about issues that literally prevent me from completing the game's objectives, issues that have existed for some time and may never be addressed. It's those instances that "Don't Worry Be Happy" doesn't cut it.

 

If we had routes as good as ECW and SEHS I would be more than happy they are both really good routes I've bought to many routes that have been poor so I've not bought many recently but if things improve at some point I would happily buy again

 

To many not very interesting routes and a lot of not yet fixed gameplay bugs for older routes. For me a route must have
- An interesting specific atmosphere, different from what we already have seen.
- A decent variety of rolling stock
- Passenger and freight services
- Preferable it must be historic
- I must have enough time to play a significant amount of time with the new content

The rate with which new DLC come out is far to high, My spare time (which is a lot) is not enough to play it all. So I will wait for nice discounts, even though some routes may be very tempting to get.

 

Yeah, TSW3 is Buggy and i dont have bought any DLC since Oct. 22, but i have watch a Preview Video from the upcoming SubwaySim and i must say. God bless there is a TSW3!!! TSW DLC are to expensive so i dont will buy it for that prices, but when you think an UE5 Game will smash TSW3, than watch a Video from SubwaySim. This Game is trash before it released. And you think the Sound in TSW3 is bad? Than look to SubwaySim.

TSW3 is a good Game, there are no Games out there without Bugs, but the pricing policy of DTG is a mess for the TSW Franchise.

 

Further to the OP what's also intriguing as that we have virtually no indication of what's planned post PF, which is the last of the five announced releases. Does this mean they are finally taking the pause that was supposed to happen last year but we got TSW3 instead?

 

I‘m wondering if they are now going to calm a bit down with the releases to the do an big summer release like rush hour?

Another thing I’m wondering if we’re going to notice the new owner Focus entertainment, maybe by the routes not being rushed?

 

Peak Forest it's already the sixth route release this year. Not counting the extra locomotive DLCs and TramSim. If you exclude the 3rd parties, it is DTG's third route after NYT and LFR. If Just Trains and Union Workshop are added in the near future, you can count on even more releases every six months, since all studios always want to contribute content. One might think that TSW is regularly flooded with new DLCs. But you also have to see it positively, the selection of trains and routes is getting bigger and bigger, but as has been shown, the bugs are no less.

 

It will be very interesting to see what JT and ATS can do

 

But not if the timetables with newer routes get smaller and smaller though.

 

I'm thinking something along the lines of TSW 3.5 / Rush Hour, where they roll out a host of new features along with 2-3 new routes. But that's just a stab in the dark.

One thing to note is that development times are typically a lot longer than most folks assume. If DTG were planning such a release (TSW 3.5), it would likely have been in planning/production for months already, parallel to whatever discussions were taking place with Focus. It's not as though they'd make that deal then immediately decide not to release any future content that had already been in the planning, unless something was really wrong.

 

wish it was so simple,all that would happen I think is they would stop making trainsim games as there's not much profit or interest in it no more,that's how it is put very simply.

 

Too many routes coming out, not enough time to settle in between and fix the masses of bugs. Not bought anything since the American passenger bundle on xbox, I knew I'd be disappointed with nyt but had wanted Boston Sprinter for a while.

Well disappointed is an understatement in relation to nyt... and now I couldn't care less about any of the dlc that has cone out or is coming out until something gets done about the rest if the game.

I'll stick with the dlc I've got thanks, both working great and some broken. And I've not been playing tsw for ages nowhere near as long as some people on this forum, but seriously dtg coming for still I think a relatively new player (a year or so), something seriously needs to be sorted out because it doesn't take long for people to realise what's going on with this game.

 

I do remember this time last year when there was much angst on the forums about the lack of routes in development save for SOS!

 

DTG are the ones that always use authentic in route intros so there isn't a problem with the word frankly

"Welcome to Train Sim World. A highly immersive rail simulator featuring authentic routes and trains from around the world"

DTG set the expectations themselves

 

You're not wrong here. Since the time TSW3 was announced there has been less transparency prior to releases. TSW3 itself launched to some bizarre music / CG trailer trying to play off some edgy gamer emotions while not showing a single moment of in game play. A clever ploy perhaps to get pre-orders before people realized they were buying 95% the same game they may have already had? A complete farce. I wish DTG would have already addressed their game's performance issues, but as the months go by I see that likelihood dwindling. Focus has bought themselves a wounded buffalo. Hopefully they can set DTG straight on a path of quality going forward as they can sure use proper steady direction from above.

 

I don't care anymore for new DLC. It's gotten to a point where I don't even look at the new content anymore. The USA content was able to grab my attention but it was immediately clear to me every DLC is delivered in the same state as it always has been. The only thing that peaked my interest now is the sale of DTG to Focus but that is not interest in DLC being released. I'm just curious if the sale might improve this game.

 

Well, quite, I agree, I was just pointing out the fickleness of people.

 

With the massive amount of dlc releasing, It actually somewhat made me always think twice about if I want to buy a route. For Example Linke rheinstrecke:
I wanted to buy this route, because it felt like a new way to experience IC services and the scenery of the Rheintal is also beautiful, but when I noticed that the videos mentioned a Bvmz, and an Bpmz was in the game, then it made me think where else stuff could be wrong.
That’s how I got to the Niddertalbahn, and I love that route

 

What I would like to know is when someone from DTG is going to get on and tell us what's going with the game. Mind you they would probably tell the BS they have told us before. Come on DTG get someone on here and talk to us and start listening [EDITED - Jan. Language]? The dam game and new releases are a mess

 

Someone has to say it: after 5 years of development tsw and slightly improvements to a good standard with good timetables (considering the small amount of rolling stock), they really made the dumb decision to go straight downhill with their content quality.

Angry customers allover, bad rating of routes and a price of 40euros. So the players have to beg now for timetables not beeing empty and fix the entire mess?

Then devs appear in the forum to bring the communication from none to minimum and everybody is excited when they placed a bush between the tracks to show the "progress of the patch"

The scope of peak forest is exactly planned, that all shortcuts are already included, even the excuse "we just wanted to focuse on steam only"

So to the ops question, how i feel of an other dlc?
To be honest i dont care at all, i gave up on tsw being a hobby. If want to return for a quick drive i have tons of dlcs i bought on the past, the players who own all of then know well the fact that its impossible to spend time in all of them.

 

Just like said before i have little interest in new DLC due to their poor overall quality. I would be more than happy to spend money on good routes with :
- minimal bugs
- realistic and full timetables (even if taht means AI trains)
- good lenght of route : no 30 miles is not a good lenght, unless fully urban.
- layers : in some german content we had plenty of layers in tSW2, why we dont see this anymore ? By layers i mean adding dozens of services, not an individual one or two.
- well done trains with quality sounds
- good lighting both at day and night
- good quality assets looking good at day and at night

So i still hang here, browse for news, look at the same problems ported from one route to the other with little upgrade done. But buying something ? No. Not even at sale.
The future steam route ? No diesel layer, questionable starting point : no thank you.
Still will look with interest at the take of TSW by Just Trains.

 

Remember when they said going into summer last year, that they were going on a big bug fixing mission for TSW2..... Hhahahahahahaah nothing got fixed for TSW2, and hardly any thing got fixed for TSW3, the clouds look real good, But man does SOS look like ass now with TSW3 lighting. Oh look the ground is clipping through the ballast and sleepers 3 feet away. But man those clouds look good. Good thing they made clouds look so good in a train sim. Even though the back half of your train is not rendering and the rails disappear ahead of you before the horizon.

 

Too many routes full of bugs, months waiting for patches that solve only half of the bugs. I know it's a company and they need to make money, but new routes in this state are nearly unplayable.
I think they have to keep releasing DLC's, but not so many routes. They should give more time to the creation and testing of new routes and for make money between route releases they could release loco DLC's, small extensions to existing routes, new scenarios, new freight wagons, and more stuff.

 

No DLC for me for a while until they clear up the mess behind them. Every time I submit a ticket a few days later I get an email saying the ticket is now marked as resolved. I just wish they would stop the DLC and concentrate on fixing the other problems. Sadly they won’t, it’s all about money now.

 

I'm very happy even with a few bugs. They aren't game breaking and the graphics are amazing!!!!



The Mainz Koblenz route is sooooo good!!!
How much work was put into it!!!

I couldn't complete the service but hey until someone comes up with a ground breaking software or solution to a proper train despatch system for TSW3.... I am still happy.

I'll just make services that will work.

Believe me a few years ago we never had this and no good physics either TSC is not great sor physics on long freight trains. I am happy!!!!

https://imgur.com/a/dwYCwUb

 

Please stop releasing new content. There are so many current routes that need to be updated or fixed. The community thinks you are doing a money grab. Whether that's true or not, that's what it looks like. Definitely sullying your reputation. Not a good look.

 

I agree with everything you've posted. There is nothing out there as good as TSW as far as I'm concerned. And I have seen many comments from actual train drivers (yourself included) saying how good TSW is (not just in this forum).

At the same time I am also not super happy with the most recent UK DLC. One thing I don't recall seeing in this thread is the acknowledgement that a lot of the DLC is from third party developers, and the QA is with them. Now, don't get me wrong, DTG should have a peer review process that sees a minimum set of working features and functionality met before release, but the bugs are with Rivet and Skyhook. DTG are clearly harming their brand by allowing 3rd parties to release such buggy content - particularly Rivet.

I disagree when people say SoS is utterly broken and unplayable; I played (still play) it a lot, and have completed all scenarios and a huge amount of the timetables. I think it's a great route. Other than the safety valve going off too much (which I have a work around for) I would say I'm very happy with it. I feel there is some excessively nit-picky complaining doing on outside of legitimate bugs.

But I guess my main gripe is that I miss is routes like TVL which has so much depth. I'll admit I prefer freight over passenger, so having the class 37, 31 and 20 is brilliant, along with the 101 passenger services and 08 shunting. It's a fairly short route but has so much depth, and history, to it - I absolutely love this route (same with ECW - so good). My point is routes like Edinburgh - Glasgow are very limited in playability and therefore have less longevity. And that's my complaint with MML as well - too short, and limited playability. It's funny because I was lambasted for complaining amount the brevity prior to launch.

I agree that DTG and 3rd parties are maybe too focused on producing new routes - I'd like to see more layers and variety to existing ones as well as routes being expanded. I want to feel I'm getting variety and the most from my DLC.

 

The broken Dosto in Rapid transit really does bother me now as this should have been fixed months ago, But this is just one of many bugs caused by DTG making us buy the game again and some DLC didn't import properly.

If DTG put as much effort into fixing bugs as they do pushing out DLC this game would be awesome, instead this game is almost unplayable

 

It will be interesting to see if freight eventually materialises even if it is just the ubiquitous 66. But I have to agree, despite the excellent 158 and VP185 HST the route is desperately short and should really have been at least double the released length - either on to Sheffield or extended south to Bedford or at least Wellingborough.

And I agree TSW desperately needs another TVL, an 80's or 90's route, perhaps the collieries and power stations around Knottingley or something in South Wales before the demise of the steel industry and most of the coal mines.

 

Does it?

 

Yes it does

 

All of it?

 

A lot of what you say makes sense. However you do not and cannot speak for “the community” nor can you know what it collectively thinks

 

I certainly dont think this and Im sure many others will feel the same.

You are entitled to your opinion and it is no more or less valid than my own. But you certainly dont speak for the community as a whole.

 

I don't think they are. If there's content that's released that I'm not interested in, I don't buy it. The Christmas DLC for example. Personally, I want more content, especially North American freight.