Ic Cab Car Discussion Thread

If the thing that is teased is the cab car then I guess it will be just the cab car that is released as the DLC. I can’t see a new loco coming along with it as it is the cab car that people wanted so much when the 101 came out. It was said at that time that the cab car was as much work as a loco to make so it could easily be a DLC on its own. It will obviously require the 101 DLC to work but there could be a bundle sold for that, otherwise it will be a separate purchase for those who already own the 101. I guess we will find out in due course.

 

I don't think it will be a DLC for a DLC for a DLC (Cab car only drivable if you own the 101 loco DLC). Makes no sense.
I'm like 99% sure a loco will come with it. As we didn't get a teaser for a 120, I guess the 101 will be reused and updated for TOD4, which imo is perfectly fine.
Hoping for a restaurant coach, but I don't mind if it's not there. At the end it's about the driving experience. And you get that in the cab, not in the (always closed) restaurant coaches.

Please, no. People always shout (rightly so) for realism. But that's far from any realistic experience at all. If you care to look up some cab drives on youtube, you'll hear a lot of hissing and rolling sounds etc. I hope TSG get's that right and doesn't just reuse old sounds.

 

628.2 bahahaha.. there will be no good sounds-

 

The 628 is great imo, TSG is arguably one of the best 3rd party devs for tsw.

 

The 628 is just using 612 sounds lol. 628 sound completly different in reallife

 

That's because TSG was unable to get actual 628 recordings, still did a really good job with the 628 imo.

 

It might be a "gameplay pack" - I wonder which timetables they'll update and/or add to. I think a 120 is unlikely, as that might be the headline act, even given the long-term desire for the cab car. An updated 101 is more likely, possibly (hopefully?) with a couple more liveries.

 

Salzburg-Rosenheim could be a good candidate. A lot of services, DTGs newest route, TOD4, Long journey times.
Maybe Bremen-Oldenburg? But that would be a bit sad because the route is short and I can't wait to drive the cab car literally for hours.

 

HRR also wasn't really a fitting route for the BR 101, being rather short for a InterCity Loco. So I think DTG wouldn't have a problem binding the Cab Car to Bremen-Oldenburg. But as the BR 101 it can be layered on many german routes, just a question on which route the scenarios will play.

 

Unfortunately, your happiness comes at the expense of happiness of many others in this case (and overall realism in the game, which I think is the most important thing). It's a valid opinion to have a "cabcarphobia" I guess, but the attitude about it makes it hard to like or "respect" as well, at least for me. That's my opinion.

 

BSR would have been a great opportunity to update the 101 with cab car. Agree that it shines on that route more than others.

 

If done right, driving a cab car can be a good experience. The Karlsruher Kopf is a good example, whereas the Dosto cab car is rather not. For me its a question of implementation.

I was also thinking about a "Gameplay" pack would fit this. Surely a cab car is more work than just a wagon but also isn't as much work as a complete loco i would assume. So this could be the perfect price range.

Still there is one more German Loco coming from Simtek, afaik we haven't got a clue what it could be. (Actually i had thought that the loco DLC from Simtek will be the IC cab car) so im curious what they will bring to TSW. I haven't got any idea but surely there are plenty of options.

 

Also, as this Route is rather new, chances are that the timetable was designed with the cab car in mind. Would be a great route for it. DRA would be another Route where i would love to see it but DRA is rather old so no idea if this is planned.

 

It’s a got a key difference to the 101 and ICE’s in that it’s got no AFB, so will require more concentration to drive correctly.

 

Wasn't DRA updated or something to TSW4 standards, or was it simply included in the Deluxe edition of TSW4 without any changes? (I don't have TSW4, so it's a serious question.)

 

For what it’s worth (I’m a bit surprised that this is in any way controversial) I really like driving the cab car since it adds a unique challenge to passenger driving. Without audio or haptic feedback from the loco you need to rely on gauges and know the peculiarities of the attached locomotive, since every braking maneuver is somewhat different. For those who complain it’s too quiet, open the window!

 

From top of my head :

DRA got the Tod4 lighting and upgraded Catenary aswell as some tweaks to the route.

Fingers crossed from my side for sure

 

Well, on the other hand they unfortunately didn't have the foresight to design the timetable for the Voralberg with the Austrian Taurus in mind.

 

I think this assumption is wrong. Pretty sure, that developers (including Maik Goltz) explained, that even a normal passenger coach is nearly as time consuming to develop as a loco. A cab car with functionalities, animations, own sounds etc isn't nearly less work than a loco itself.

 

The practices of DTG have not borne this claim out. If it was true we'd be seeing DTG avoid routes that need cab cars, because that would mean they've have to develop two locos and thus break their usual "one new loco per route" policy.

 

I know. Best to not expect anything and maybe get positive surprised.

I definitely wouldn't say its no work but as a cab car doesn't have any traction whatsoever i assumed that you saving quite some resources because the simugraph simulation is less work.

Anyway, im curious to hear how this will release and what they have planned with it.

 

So you cannot read properly? That's all I got from your response.

 

It's no different that driving a 146, or an EV for that matter, it's literally the same but no noise whatsoever, and no, rolling down the window won't change that, especially not in this game where running sounds are nonexistent, both on locos and cars.

 

"Simtek" is new right, have they released anything as of right now?

 

To be fair, the more recent locos have excellent sounds. And the IC Cab Car has a quite unique running sound on higher speeds. You can already hear this sound in the existing IC coaches in the game. They produce a sound similar to the running sound of the Class 801, which you can hear in the tunnels. Here's a cab ride, where you can hear all the sounds on a slower classic line:
It's not like more modern well insulated cabs, where you can bearly hear anything. I think the german community will be very happy with the IC cab car, it seems to be one of the most highly requestet rolling stock that fits on the existing TSW network.

 

Sorry, the correct name is Simtrack Studios

They have done a gameplay pack for Birmingham X City, and working on a Class 104 for PFR iirc.

So no German Content so far. Could imagine they will start with a "smaller" loco to gain experience. We have already some german shunter, but the v90 would still be a great addition. A Bundesbahn V100 alike as a branch line Diesel loco.

 

Especially if it can also sub into shunting services, since the V 100/211 was built as a DP loco

 

Tsgs main job is helping dtg with their german content. It's how they make money. Then their 1st party content is secondary. Remember they also set really high standards and won't release something until it's nearly perfect which takes a while. All you can do is be patient and wait

 

It's ironic how you want dtg to create unrealistic sounds when you call other train sounds terrible because they don't sound exactly like the real thing.

 

There is a difference between realistic and pleasurable vs. realistic and boring…

 

I think the Dosto cab car is the one that causes the perceived problem, since its track noises etc are too quiet or not there at all. Other cab cars like the SFJ Bi-level are much better in that regard.

 

Yeah, the Dostos are one of the oldest rolling stock in the entirety of TSW. They were release with MSB, the second ever German route. They have the same problem as the Traxx 2 that came with them. They are implemented in so many German routes and never got a real update. Shure they got LZB and got a few changes to work with modern routes, but never a remaster. I think it's time DTG brings the Dosto and Traxx 2 up to standard, as it doesn't seem that future German routes will no longer have them.

 

I see your point and agree, to some extent anyway, the sounds just aren't good in this game, in general, and if they don't NAIL the sounds (which I doubt they will), it'll be ugly, even without the sound enhancement mod(s) the loco has.

 

Yeah overall the sounds are rather mediocre. But since TSW 4 the sound are really great. The Vectron for example is the best sounding loco in the entire sim, in my opinion. Just the sounds for all the knobs, lever and switches really help the immersion. The BR 101 already had great sound, and I expect the Cab Car is developed by both DTG and TSG again. So I don't think they will disappoint.

 

Sure looks like one to me:

 

There is an issue, though: all existing 101/IC services currently in the game are designed with loco-first trains, so there would be nothing for the cab car to do. Also, substitution would be a problem given the 1-to-1 car count rule.

Although since the rumor mill says HMA will be getting a timetable upgrade, that aspect at least could be addressed on that route

 

I think this won't be much of a problem. As you would need to implement new train formations to the existing timetables anyway, it's not that much work to just flip half of them around.

 

But the number of vehicles would be the same? Let's say Hamburg Lübeck uses a Formation of
[BR 101] [2xAvmmz] [6xBpmmz] [BR 101].

And we see the 1-1 rule as gives.
What would technically be in the way to have a formation substitution that is
[Cab Car] [2xAvmmz] [6xBpmmz] [BR 101]?

It's the same number of vehicles.

 

If they really do the IC cab car its more than a surprise for me (positive), but it will stand or fall with the sounds.

 

Or even

101 + 2 Avmmz + 6 Bpmmz to
101 + 2 Avmmz + 5 Bpmmz + Bpmmdzf (cab car). Even in reverse, it's the same length, and the same power.

 

Still, I think they have managed to include the cab car on every train that has it from the start, with the 101 being the exception? And the Caltrain MP36 was similarly a loco DLC, but came with a cab car.

 

Yeah was strange back when the BR 101 released, as everybody expected there to be a cab car. I think it's because the BR 101 came with two rather different coaches, while the MP36 just had one type of coach.

 

I don't think there are any formations in the existing timetables with a 101 at both ends, though.

 

Surely there are such service. The two IC on Hamburg-Lübeck for example have a loco at each end (yes that's just two of many services in all DLCs combined, but that just are services I remember right now)

 

In BRO as well I believe.

in any case if we are getting the IC cab car, it will be a first day purchase for me.

 

The cab car would be a great addition.
Optional colour schemes could also be possible...
they were also tagged on to the end of the Austrian IC services that ran up The Rhine.

 

I believe this future DLC will be implemented initially on Salzburg - Rosenheim. It could potentially be introduced wherever ICs are part of the timetable. Is the cabcar also used in cross-border services?

 

More colour schemes would be great in the future, but currently they don't fit on any route.
For the blue IR variant we need IR coaches.
The old red IC livery exist on Linke Rheinstrecke, but that route is set before the Cab Car era.
The red regional variant was first used between München-Nürnberg (HMA is not part of that route) and later transfered to Ulm-Wendlingen (which is the newest high-speed line in Germany)

 

Rarely. And then only on services into Austria, as the cab car lacks any international safety systems (Germany and Austria share PZB and LZB). It could be possible that a cab car was part of a international train outside these countries, but then it wasn't leading the train.

 

In fact I see both DB and OBB Intercity here and they're all without cabcars, in long formation.