Impact Of Sbb's Licensing Changes On Swiss Content In Train Sim World

It sucks badly! So many amazing SBB CFF FFS trains are out of the picture now! I did try a while back already to contact SBB about it. Because it is obviously complete bullocks and makes zero sense.
Just take care that no one has entrance to your trains and don't come up with these stupid rules! Also cabdrivers were summoned at first to not record cab rides anymore. Some now have permission to do it under big restrictions.

Is DTG aware of any other ToC that is looking to change there regulations now or in the future?

 

I dunno, getting mad at the operator rather than the idiots who make taking strong measures seem preferable feels like blaming the victim. And even despite security, those idiots can be pretty clever, like the one some years back who stole a tank from a military base in San Diego and went on a destructive joyride.

 

A bunch of individual train simmers petulantly haranguing SBB about it is not likely to carry much weight. If anything it would probably just serve to reinforce their position if not lead to even more restrictions. Leave the negotiations to those trained and experienced at dealing with them.

 

Honestly the only thing that makes me sad about this is that we'll never see EC7 properly represented with SBB coaches as it glides AI-only through many of the stations we have represented along the route ahaha

 

What’s fascinating is that over on the other side of the track, so to speak, we have the Polish railway operators allowing unprecedented access to SimRail. Not just the trains but super authentic simulation of the signal boxes and panels.

Come to think of it, I can’t recall seeing many Swiss signalling simulations about.

Well as we’ve already said, there must be scope for DTG and their associates to explore possibilities in Eastern Europe.

 

Well, we have a CFR loco as DLC in Steam Store, never say never...

 

There you go. Just need to spell properly.
https://www.sumavanet.cz/kubovahut/fr.asp?tab=snet&id=10889

As for the locos, I would go with the ČD 151 before they get decommissioned because of ETCS or something totally different. ČD 131 twins in the Tatra mountains.

Either way, I hope one of the eastern-european countries can get into the TSW pool as a result of this.

edit: Ups. I'm just tired and can't read questions properly

 

Well in that case, I'm also done associating with SBB, my car is better.

 

On the flipside, if they knew how to turn the safety systems off (if the hijacking is of a live train) then nothing can stop them.

Anyone could move a handle and get an already setup train moving; but they would be caught quickly by the safety systems.

I imagine it's much harder to steal an idle train because you require a master key, among other things.

 

I apologise for the surplus "k"!

But seriously it looks a lovely spot, somewhere I'd like to visit one day on a very scenic line.

 

I would think that the risk is higher if safety systems are turned off. But on all modern european trains safety systems are on and cannot easily be turned off. Question - can you activate a train without a master key or driver 'PIN'? Plus, modern networks are monitored and I would expect a hijacked train to be stopped at the first signal magnet, or in desperation track junctions turned against them. Anyway, the highest risk obviously is a former (or current) employee

 

I've said this before, but most train operating companies are in the business of running trains and moving people or goods. They couldn't care less about the video game world and when it comes to licensing their logos/property/trains etc it would probably be more from the business point of view as a type of advertising, not so much because they want accurate representations of how their equipment operates in the hands of the general public.

I am sure many don't mind, or would be enthusiastic about it, which is why we have so many different operators in the game, but as soon as the wrong manager or safety/security person sees how a simulation game can give people a rough idea of how to operate one of their trains, details of station and yard layouts, etc I can picture at least some of them might have an over the top reaction and think that being in a game is not worth whatever doomsday scenario risk they can imagine.

The example that always comes to my mind is in 2001 when there were all kinds of rumours that the 9/11 attackers used Microsoft Flight Simulator to "train" and there was a dark cloud over the flight sim world for a few years.

For all we know SBB hired a new person to some sort of safety/security/risk assessment position who didn't like seeing how much detail is in TSW/TS/etc and convinced their bosses that it is not worth the risk/liability.

 

As a Swiss citizen, this really pissed me off. SBB seems affected with schizophrenia.
Let me explain:
1. They offer cab-rides for everybody (for a price, of course) see
Cab-view rides on the Gotthard Panorama Express | SBB
You ride in the Cab with an SBB specialiist who answers all your questions and you get to look at the driver^s actions.
2. In a French monthly magazine Rail Passion, which features a monthly video, they published a 5 part video in the cab of an IC1 (in a RE460) between Geneva Airport and Zurich HB, where the instructor explained everything, including how to best brake the train, signals, tactics and of course ETCS2 between Mattstetten near Bern and Rothrist near Olten.
So WTF SBB?

 

I also want to say something about this from the perspectiv of a Railfan living in Switzerland. First of all the first thing that sprung in to my mind about this: In 1993 some dude had pretendet to be a traindriver and drove a IC train he was cought at the next Station. Maybe someone at SBB thougt wait we had someone 30 years ago who "stole" a train, that must now be way easyer because of those simulations. Honestly in my Opinion its way more easy to get the operators manuals of the real trains then trying to learn it in a Simulation. You can get those quiet easy on Legal ways: For example at trainshows or online here is an example: https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/sbb-re-6-6-bedienung-reglement-1983-1265248126/ . And the way biger problem is that there are many people who work for SBB who will give the manuals that are on the SBB Intranet to people woho have nothing to do with it. Btw. everyone who has acsess to the SBB Intranet can finde those. My conclusion on this situation: Its missused enegy, they should first of all look at the more serios threat to them witch is in there own ranks.