Instant Gaming Tsc Purchase Problem & List Of Add Ons I Should Get

The AP RHTT and FNA wagons both have AI upscaled textures. It's less noticeable on the RHTT wagons, partly because the original textures were much better. They're both much better than what JT sold and have AP sounds out of the box. My issue with the AI upscaling was that AP never made that clear (and as far as I'm aware still haven't) and the prices are therefore a bit more than I think they're worth it. Either way, I think they're still the better option overall even though the JT version is cheaper in the sale on now.

The main Class 20 pack is in green, with scenarios for the Western Lines of Scotland. There are two livery packs which require the main pack, one in BR blue and one in Railfreight grey and red. The physics and sounds aren't great, but the model and texturing is much nicer than the JT version.

JT:


DTG:

 

I prefer the exhaust effects on the DTG Class 20 as well. There is one error with its modelling and that is that the instrument illuminations aren't in the same plane as the instruments and sit above them. This is particularly noticeable with the BR blue variant.

 

oooh yea the colours are much noticeable... i might change which class 20 i might want to buy... unsure about the RHTT still.

 

I think the instrument lights are only an issue with the blue one, I haven't noticed it on the Railfreight one and I assume it isn't an issue with the green one either.

 

https://store.steampowered.com/app/222628/Train_Simulator_BR_Class_20_Loco_AddOn/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/295173/BR_Blue_Class_20_AddOn_Livery/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/295174/BR_Railfreight_Class_20_AddOn_Livery/

Oddly, I don't have that 20 yet, myself.

 

I did not know about the light problem - I will give them a miss for now

 

not gonna lie i am just really waiting for sale to get the requirements for the ATS' 73/9. I have seen them most commonly and its a shame that it needs so much requirement. And also Southampton to Bouremouth so i can utilize its extension by JT.
And by that i can finally play on the Sussex Lines

 

From Class 20 dials :: Train Simulator Classic 2024 General Train Simulator Discussions,
posted by Desert Eagle

"I found this bug ages ago and posted a fix in a old thread, but I'm posting it here again.

First a warning and disclaimer: If you don't know how to use TS-tools or not experienced with the inner workings of Train Sim files, this can be a bit daunting. As with anything that handles code, tread with care. I'm not responsible for anything that could possible go wrong. You do this at your own risk. And as always, backup everthing before starting.

Here are the steps:

1 - Look for the file 'Class20Pack02Assets.ap' inside the folder 'RailWorks\Assets\DTG\Class20Pack02'

2 - Extract the file 'cabview.GeoPcDx' from it using 7zip, into the folder '\RailWorks\Assets\DTG\Class20Pack02\RailVehicles\Diesel\Class_20\Default\CabView\'. The folder 'CabView' most likely doesn't exist. If so create it and place the file inside.

3 - Using TS-tools open the file.

4 - You should see the contents of the file. It's geometry data in XML format with data blobs for the geometry of the objects and normal text for the rest. The blob data is rather big.

5 - Search for this string in it: '0.4596581'.

6 - You should see the string highlighted on the code, and next to it this data: '0.4596581 2.4088485 4.9620528'. This is the x,y and z position of the object that displays the lights for the instruments.

7 - Replace the 3 values with this: '0.5034487 2.4088485 4.8115325'.

8 - Save the file.

Go back in Train Sim, clear the cache and try one of the Class 20 BR Blue Locos. It should have the lights on the rear instruments panel correctly allighted with the gauges.

I hope this helps anyone that likes to drive this loco."

 

Thank you for posting this. I am only going to add on that, because the original version is inside an AP file, you don't necessarily have to back up anything as the only file being modified is literally from that archive. Extracted files take precedence over archived files, meaning your light changes will take priority over the packed version. However, it's a good practice to back up anything that is NOT archived in case something does go wrong, or you might be reinstalling stuff.

 

I looked thru my Library on my Steam Client and I realised I had purchased the Green Class 20 so I spent £2.99 and got the BR Blue version. It was simple to change the lights so they work as expected.

A few observations
[1] The Train Brake handle works in the opposite direction from the way it should work.

Not good if you look at the Brake handle to see if the brakes are released
(For those people who like to move the handles in the cab)

[2] There is a stupid switch in the cab where when it is Down the end lights are off
- in a Middle position (which would not happen) the Cab end top light is on and the Tail light on the nose is on.
- in the Top position the the Cab end Tail Light is lit and the Nose end top light is on.

[3] The End disks should be White when open but they are Yellow.

The JT version on the left and DTG on the right.

And I cannot find the Green Class 20 when using the Object Set Filter and DTG

 

I'm not sure what's going on with the lights, but definitely not white backgrounds on this.

A small point, but the DTG model has the wipers parked in the right locations.

 

RSC\Class20Pack01. It was released at the time when DTG were transitioning from their RSC name.

 

The way the Disks work is they are Hinged in the Middle.
Normally the Top half of the disk is either folded down to obscure the light or folded up to let the light show thru.


In the picture you posted look at the Drivers side and Top disks are correctly folded down to obscure the lights
The Middle & Bottom offside have the lower half incorrectly folded upwards
They are not showing a proper train class.

Regarding the position of the wipers - it depends on where the driver decides to park them.
Neither JT or DTG is right or wrong if you compare to real pictures.

 

if there are little bugs like those. are there any patches out there which fixes those issues?

 

found that AP is doing a sale. And wow somehow i watied long enough for this to finally be on sale.
Oh joy to the world. Unfortunately I wont be getting this... for now.

 

My Southern fleet is growing... only 1 train left (i am pretending the class 456 doesnt exist)


Oh yea does anybody here have both class 319 packs? Is there a interior view for the Southern variant in the Vol 2 pack? If anybody have that can somoene take a picture of the Southern variant of the Class 319 in its interior?

 

Taken from the store page.

 

oh thank you!

(I eventually decided to buy the vol 2 for the sake for this interior... pure southern-ness)

 

The 319 and 321 are fantastic packs to have. The 321 includes the 320 from the North Clyde Line (Suburban Glasgow) and could swap into those Career scenarios cleanly if you clone them (and you can also convert them back into the exact same Career scenarios, though I can't guarantee the timetable would work as accurately as the 360 has different run times for acceleration and such in an example I tried on ECML). The 319 has a lot of usage on the Bedford route, and many AP scenarios that used the old 319 on the original payware route have since been upgraded to use the route enhancement pack version of the route, meaning you will get some great old time 319 driving on a nicer looking version of the route (or so I'm told; I haven't driven it yet).. Those are therefore good packs to have. If you get your hands on some scenarios using an old freeware 317 on UKTS, you can also sub the AP versions in (though you may want to check everything in the editor, I don't know how good those swaps are yet). There are 318s tied to the freeware 317 as well (including an Orange one and one other that I've found don't include the name in the BIN file) and the 318 is another AP pack. So you have lots of ways to upgrade some older scenarios on top of all the new stuff using them.

 

Had some blasting driving the Class 319 already. But didnt take any pictrues of it lol. I dont know will I ever be picking up the London to Bedford route to be honest. I forgot did I have any plans for it at all.

 

Some screenshots from my recent acquired AP stuff. (Apparently there is a patch that makes the 465 pack bought from steam to use the AP sounds. TBH i like that model better too).

Retro theme!

This is all my recent acquired AP productions all in one picture. Totalling up to 73/92 pounds with the sale.

 

Very strange decision making. Why didn't you just look at the product page screenshots? I don't see any evidence of any AI upscaling that makes anything look worse than the JT version.

The AP pack is better in every respect so if you bought the JT 20 just for the RHTT, you made a pretty poor decision and paid £13 more for the privilege.

The whole AI thing is just another silly troll talking point in certain Train Sim circles. The updated FNA & RHTT do the job of better colours, weathering, physics and sounds. Those who genuinely get hung up about a few AI'd small labels which weren't legible on the original JT model anyway need to get some perspective.

 

The 319s also operated on the Southern working Bedford to Brighton and a few other routes.
The LM liveried 319s used to work Euston to Tring or Bletchley (WCML-South) - mainly in the rush hours

 

i was on that last class 319 from bletchley to euston. i miss it : (

 

Does anybody have the MJW 390 pack by the way? i tried to place down a virgin pride train yet the livery isnt showing at all.

 

I was among the first people to bring the AI upscaling up in the case of the FNAs. My issue with it was the fact AP did not make it clear in any marketing material. It also isn't just 'small labels', almost the entire FNA wagon has AI-upscaled textures.

 

and update to my bucket list

 

I tried to do a list of what I needed until I realised I'd need to get everything! I have finally accomplished that today by completing the AP catalogue and all but the Flirts with ATS, the JT stuff is just 1 wagon to get although other wagon packs will cover that one. I now have the compete UK network as it stands today in TS. Now I've just got to actually play it lol!

 

same on my case lol (not the AP stuff, still gathering them lol).
Now i am just thinking on which to go on next despite my disc space now being super full because TSC has taken up so much space.

Either I can go with the MTU HST and Peterborough to York
Or Southeastern high speed to then complete the entire southeastern network.
Or get a North London and Goblin line and London to bedford (making use of danny's merge route) so i can start doing something like brighton to the north.

 

Therein lies the problem. Driving at least one train using every piece of stock in your library.

 

I think that's why I bought everything that I could, it means that pretty much every scenario or route upgrade means I can just download it and not worry about having the 'correct' assets. I'm still using Locoswap to use every upgrade that I can utilise on a route and if it creates a OOM error then I can run it on a QD for a few minutes and try again. This sim has always been a game of want vs diminishing return but once you're invested it's like any other hobby and believe me I have far too many!