Instant Gaming Tsc Purchase Problem & List Of Add Ons I Should Get

God forbid no!

Don't go poking the dragon now Pete.

 

Yeah, the extra stock pack for the Class 90 Pack 01 , the GEML liveries which do not install anything in the Wherry Line folder.
In that case the revised logo that's *demanding* that Wherry Lines from Steam be bought could go anywhere, as long as it's referenced correctly of course. That's only editing words, no special coding or owt complicated.

As my mate Ned Ludd used to say, "if it works why change?"

 

But if it's Pete's Dragon it's in the script!

 

It's a bit confusing, many Extra Stock packs only include parts of stock, make sure to install each Extra Stock pack available to complete the puzzle.

I've been wondering about some folder with only a few Class 90 textures and no .bins, eventually the rest of the files appeared when I had installed everything.

 

Yeah, but they don't have anything to do with the AGA livery that's been the cause of ludwigtails' issue.

 

I have to admit I am confused. If one is looking for rolling stock why would you need the route? This would just provide Assets for scenery.

 

which is the reason why i got the AP route- i am kinda desperate to drive class 90s and getting the AGA livery is one of them-

this does make me wonder should i actaully buy wherry lines again on steam. For some additional rolling stocks without spending more of a fortune in a short period of time. Or i continue to ignore that steam wherry line route and save up more for AP stuff.

 

Like I said, I can't pinpoint it right now. Eventually it all comes together. I am thankful for all the free extra stuff AP adds, but it's confusing and would need someone to make a spreadsheet what exactly is included in which pack.

Is this referring to AP_Waggonz\Class90Pack01 ?

 

No. The only difference is the scenarios. Do not buy Wherry Lines again!

The class 90 thing is confusing, I'll try to track down what needed essentially. Though I am having BodgeIt enhancements too in places...

 

The reskin he's installed says he needed Wherry Lines, and installs it's branding texture in to the Wherry Lines folder tree.
The extra stock pack for the base loco doesn't add anything in the Wherry Lines set, so why the AGA reskin does is mystifying, and would seem to be just a whim of the reskinner.
A route's folder can contain rolling stock though Kilt, the DRS Mk2 coaches are in the Wherry Lines set for example.

 

Yeah, that's what the AGA reskin uses as a base.

 

This is my AP WherryLines folder - it holds no engine blueprint. So we'll have to see what bin is referencing this reskin folder.



Also the AP Wherry Lines Extra Stock pack installs the mentioned files in #209 to AP_Waggonz\Class90Pack01 - which is the requirement.

 

basically, in short and ignore the community made AGA livery for the 90 and DVT. It is when you purchase wherry lines from AP's site. Which that itself includes the AGA livery for the GEML 90, MK3 and DVT due to the route having ai services at Norwich. The reskin file for taht should be somewhere I'd imagine.

 

There was an update to Wherry in 2022 that introduced a Class90 folder, though whether this applied to the Steam distributed version also I don't know.
Whichever, messy and confusing particularly for those with no knowledge of how the game's files interact. None of those files in Spike's screenshot are for a loco model, they deal with logos and nameplates.

 

No the Steam version wasn't updated - but can be updated with the 2.0 upgrade (which I did. I am having the same content as people who purchased v1 from AP, plus the additional Steam scenarios featuring the APWL Class 37 (precursor to the AP Class 37 Pack)

Steam enforces clean depot structure - ATS and AP are writing files into other provider folders which is something DTG/Steam do not want, as the Steam verification relies on a depot being in a unique state independent from what you have installed.

ludwigtails This thread has become too massive, and I am lost what the current issue exactly is. You got the Class 90 / DVT pack plus Wherry Lines 2.0, you should have the AGA Class 90 then. Or not?

 

Yep... call me cynical but if you dumb 'em down enough and make it seem complicated they'll buy because it's easier. Isn't the APWL 37 a reskin of the RSC Settle - Carlisle 37 rather than being related to AP's entirely different 37 pack(s)

 

Nope, the Wherry Lines 37 already has the new cab, but the old shell. It has a config line to flip the body so the driver is facing forward when using cab 2 on scenario start. Of course the full version is used in 2.0 scenarios if you have the Class 37 Pack.

 

sorry that i got everybody confused. I do have the AGA livery from the wherry line that is bought from AP's site.

 

That's a pack of smokes you owe me now.

 

Thanks
I'm don't use the ATS loader so I will give that a miss

 

The Sussex line did not use the ATS loader.

 

This thread has been going all over the place, but after some research, I shall give a bit of my history with the Wherry Line.

I originally purchased the Steam version then AP-released version 2.0 of this route. There were 2 versions one for the AP version and another for the Steam version. I purchased the Steam version. In my opinion, anyone without the 3 routes that you need for the AP version would be better off purchasing the Steam version as DTG has put in the required assets from those routes into the Wherry line which AP cannot do hence why you have to purchased those 3 routes if you don't already own them.

The Class 90 is only used for AI trains in some of the scenarios you don't get to drive it.

In TS Tools it says I have 83 scenarios for this route but some are double ups with the standard scenarios also being made as career scenarios and timetabled ones.

 

When a route is marked as needing routes x,y,z in order to work it's worthwhile using TS Tools / RW Tools to check what's missing before spending. In some cases you may find that asset a from route b (which you don't have) is itself a copied and re-pathed default asset, or one from another route that you do have. Check before spending!

 

ahh i see. in what way can i check what assets i am lacking?

And a separate question. Is there a route that has the modernised version of London Bridge?

 

Use TS Tools.
From the top menu:
Route Building Tools--Check Routes or Scenarios
then select the route in the box that appears and click the Check Selected Route button.

 

RW Tools help file:

https://ln5.sync.com/dl/e9b52ea50/ifg24vdn-3yqtdeiv-mphcqrsj-tzhzt3cu

 

The only version of London Bridge is in the South London Network.
As it dates from 2014 it is the old version of the thru platforms before they were modernised.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/222638/Train_Simulator_South_London_Network_Route_AddOn/

 

ah i see. Actually has the amount of platforms changed at all before and after London Bridge's rebuilt?

 

Not the amount but I think the length of the thru platforms has changed - the Class 700s off the GN and MML routes work thru.

 

ah i see. And the reason why I asked about it really not only curious is there a modern busy london bridge in TSC. But also quite recently something very rare happened at Brighton (which is my local station) station during last sunday/monday. And i want to recreate a specific special run! It involves a Class 56, 70 and a 2nd gen 377.

Though i wont get the BML and South London network yet as currently i am prioritising WCML first. Maybe after I finish WCML merge then I get the 3rd rail commuter routes-

 

When you get the BML & SL Network there is a joined map on the Workshop
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=341200017

 

The overall number of platforms is the same, but one platform from the terminus side was removed and replaced with a new through platform. The new London Bridge is not in Train Simulator but the brilliant Southeastern Network route has a kitbashed version of it with the extra through platform.

 

Didn't they knock down the overall roof when they did the revamp as well?

 

Yes, the beautiful roof over the terminus platforms was dismantled and replaced. Seemingly I'm in the minority of people who don't like the way the new London Bridge looks, even though it is undoubtedly a better station overall now.

 

i am aware of that during my research for southern routes, thanks!

Oh? Sounds like a free route I should get. But boy does it have a lot of requirements... and I only have 3 of them out of the 7. And I think I just dont have enough routes to get any sort of freeware routes right now.

Though its crazy to think that the station is i think it was one (if not the) of the oldest london terminus? But then got completely rebuilt into what we now know off is crazy.

 

Doesn't stop you downloading, installing and giving the route a try though.

 

The Portsmouth Direct Line and Southampton to Bournemouth are less important than the Chatham Main Line and the South London Network. Do note that the list of requirements is a bit of a lie, as the Chatham Main Line (no suffix) is not needed as a separate purchase. Both the Chatham Main and Medway Valley Lines and the Chatham Main Line to Ramsgate include the original Chatham Main Line, although you will still need to get both of the former versions as they are not interchangeable.

Even though I don't like the new London Bridge very much at least it wasn't ruined as badly as Euston was. There are many instances of stations being rebuilt into something uglier than before, or very pretty stations being destroyed. Ramsgate Harbour was a beautiful station and a lot more useful for people visiting the town than the current station, although the new station is still very pretty. Luckily Dover Western Docks still exists, and that's another pretty station.

 

A good deal is happening at Just Trains when buying some of their route bundles. Just Trains - Money-saving Midland Main Line Bundles for TS Classic

 

Is there a link to where I can get the original chatham mainline? And any routes are important/used on a lot of freeware routes i should absolutely get?

Yea i think i will wait until that is on sale. 70 pounds is still a lot.

 

That is on sale.

 

70 quid is a lot... but as it's for 7 route releases it's bloody good value. The whole network bundle does give great scope for scenarios--fast/slow passengers, freight, shunting, railtours...you can do the lot. Yes, I'm biased...I love it but I think it gives more gameplay at £70 due to the number of scenarios available for it than 4 or 5, maybe even more, routes at £25 a pop.

 

I know its a deal compared to 7 routes total up to 130 odd pounds. For me 70 pounds is 700 HKD (Hong Kong Dollars. And basically the convert rate is basically pounds but multiply by 10 for me) and my budget for buying things are 50 pounds. So I will struggle a lot when buying 3rd party content.

 

It's a good deal for the value you're getting. 215 miles network plus a huge load of scenarios using either default Kuju stock or AP/JT stock.

I did buy the JT Complete Bundle, although having four of the included routes on Steam already (which was an early newcomer mistake, as I was not aware they couldn't be merged later on.) It's way better to use the merger, and as JT uses a shared asset library it doesn't need more memory running the full route via a standalone section as the assets used are loaded anyway on either routes, apart from a few special buldings coming with Hope Valley or Lincoln, small asset packs.

Runs very well, highly optimised and RAM friendly. Remember to turn off Procedural Flora when running JT routes.

 

If you own either of the other two Chatham Main Line versions you will own the original already.

 

oh then since i already own the medway valley then that means i have already own an original Chatham mainline then?

Also since when did Southeastern operate to Blackfriars?

Good to know that it runs well. Though i think if i am getting something next it would be their GWR mainline first instead. Its cheaper than MML and i am not that interested in the MML. At least not yet.

 

Yes, the original will be in your DLC library.

They always have. In the morning and evening peaks a few trains go there, but not as many now as there used to be.

Southeastern also went to Waterloo a few years ago, but that's a separate story.

 

Ah, I have found that in my steam library (should be the one to Gillingham)

Interesting, that I honestly have never heard off.

anyhow heres my plan updated again

And since not long ago i asked about London Bridge. I would like to ask what should i get for thameslink traction? I know i have the options for Class 319s but i am more or so curious on should I get the Class 700 or not. I have only seen through reviews that the base 700 and even the AP model was horrible. I am unsure is there other options for Class 700 purchases on TSC, like has anybody made models or Enhancements of the AP's EP on the 700 to make the model better or something. Or is the base + AP 700 model is the only 700 option for TSC?

 

If you want to drive the 700 and you're fussy then the AP enhancement to the DTG model is probably the way to go. If however you only need it as moving scenery/aren't bothered about bells and whistles then just the DTG model is all you need.
Try things in their default state before worrying about AP enhancement packs.

 

ludwigtails - I say this all the time.
If the train is one you will drive and like to drive then the best version is worth getting.
But if the train is one you will just see as you drive along is it worth spending extra money?

There is a Class 456 Emu that runs on Southern Region routes and a version comes with the SLN
https://store.steampowered.com/app/222638/Train_Simulator_South_London_Network_Route_AddOn/
And there is an AP version
https://www.armstrongpowerhouse.com/rolling_stock/emu_rs/class_456_electric_multiple_unit_pack
The AP version might have extra stuff but as I will never drive it there is no point in me wasting £16.99 buying it.

 

I guess this is all about your specific end point goals. It appears that there are a lot of different ways TSC is leveraged and focused on. My specific goal is to complete all of the scenarios I have purchased. I therefore have every AP product there is and will switch out for AP on any standard scenario I run. For me TSC becomes a collection and a desire to get my monies worth from what I have purchased. I run a randomizer and slowly compile all of the journeys I have completed on my web site.