Instant Gaming Tsc Purchase Problem & List Of Add Ons I Should Get

Southeastern has the luxury of being able to send mainline trains (non-HS1) to one of four terminals, which means that if one or two are closed they can send most of the affected trains to one of the other ones. However, in 2018 (IIRC) they had to get creative because it was not possible to send everything to their regular terminal stations. As a result the Eurostar chord near Victoria was brought back into use and Southeastern sent some mainline services into the former international platforms at Waterloo. I think it lasted a couple of days, but it was major enough to require Southeastern to have driver training runs into Waterloo a while before the closures took place. Unfortunately it'll probably not happen again as Waterloo is a lot busier now.

I live on the SE network and there's quite a lot of weird things about it. One of my favourite factoids was the possibility of Javelin trains running to Victoria in the event of HS1 being closed, which required regular driver training runs but has never happened in practise and probably never well. To my knowledge HS1 closures result in services being cancelled completely rather than rerouted.

 

ah i see. Oh dear now because i have a mindset that I want to casually driving from train to train whenever i feel like it. Like trains that I want to get on the priority/want to get list especially.

ooh i see. thats quite interesting.

 

i know this was discussed before, and its only now i realise that the portmsouth direct line i got didnt have this 455 variant. So I am suppose to buy this Class 455 for the other variant that works with SWT/SWR right?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/65229/Train_Simulator_Class_455_EMU_AddOn/

Do i still need to get the old Portsmouth direct line route for this to work or would i just have to get this and it will work because i have the new Portsmouth direct line?

 

No. The *need* for Portsmouth direct is because that's the route the scenarios in the pack are set on. Your only issue could be if any markers referenced in the scenarios have been renamed in the newer version of the route--a change in name from Platform 1 to P1 is enough to *break* a scenario. It's also very easy to fix; it just needs a quick edit of the scenario in the scenario editor.

Which version of the 455 do you have?

 

This one. the /8
the one i linked was the /9

 

So what's to stop you using what you have?

 

I tried downloading this resking from DPS, I thought the livery also applies to /8s but it doesnt and only applies to /9s, which is a varaint that i dont have and is not included in the new Portsmouth direct line

 

If you are driving these locos you should strive for the AP Pack(s) Vol 1 and 2. They only need the /8 to provide /7, /8 and /9

 

that image is from AP right?
and honestly i was thinking on just picking up the volume with the 455 in its modern counterpart. I think it was vol 2?

 

Nor was it included with the older version. You keep saying you need to keep costs down, so use what you have and swap things with TS Tools.
If you must spend buy
https://store.steampowered.com/app/325963/Train_Simulator_Southern_Class_4558_EMU_AddOn/
but hold off applying the AP pack until you've tried it in it's default state.
Note that the AP pack uses THAT particular version of the 455, NOT the Thomson one you linked to.

 

Isn't it more a case of "they're only allowed to use the /8" ?

 

i think so yes.

 

ludwigtails You can find out what you need or Don't Need by reading the requirements for Routes and/or Scenarios

 

the thing is. Steam said this.

But neither did the description said anything about requiring the old route so now i am kinda confused.

 

The 455 comes with Scenarios
To Play JUST those scenarios you need the Portsmouth Direct Route
But if you wish to use the 455 on other routes you don't need the PD Route

 

ah ah okay. Thank you. Does it layer on to the current/new version of the Portsmouth direct line? or just the original?

 

There's no layering in TS (unless you count the spawning mechanics in quick drive). The Thomson 455 has scenarios for the original Portsmouth Direct Line, and none for the new one. You can drive it on the new one if you want, but there's a branded 455 included that you might as well drive instead.

 

I assume the branded 455 is the one here?

If so its what I did not long ago i drove from woking to Portsmouth for a quick drive.

 

But those scenarios will/can be made to work on the newer Portsmouth Direct Line.
ludwig, we've already been through (more than once) what is meant by "required"

 

The PDE 455 is the branded one, the Thomson one has no branding.

 

yea that i do remember, loco swapping and or adding with TS tools (i think?) or just use the train on quick drive. sorry just got myself a bit worried always lol.

ah i see

 

i am unsure does anybody still follow this thread. But since its now there is a sale going on. I have followed my shopping list and currently i have total up to 445 HKD with the class 91 and class 68 (both base and the EP from AP) plus the WCML North (which is oddly enough the cheapest of the bunch). i still got less than 50 HKD i can spend on but now i dont know what else to spend it on. (A lot of the trains in this autumn sale cost around 59.50 HKD). I plan to get a brighton mainline route outside of my 500 HKD budget.
These ones are on my shopping list but i am unsure which one should i get. bold text are ones on priority on my shopping list

Class 442 (47.60 HKD)
Class 86 (44.50 HKD)
Class 460 (44.50 HKD)
Class 67 (34 HKD)
South London Network (21.80 HKD)
Woodhead route (44.50 HKD) (for the sake of an asset for ECML Merge, but currently aiming for WCML merge first)
Isle of wight (44.50 HKD) (to fill wherry line's requirements)
Class 700 (44.50 HKD)
ECML North (37.41 HKD)
Class 57 (35.40 HKD)
Class 70 (34 HKD)
ECML (34 HKD)
Class 170 (34 HKD)

 

As you've bought WCML-N the class 86 is a no-brainer.

 

I would procure the routes rather than the locos. You can always loco-swap the rolling stock (unless there are locos you really want). ECML North is cheap at 71% off!. Isle of wight is cheap (though not much to it really).
Respectfully

 

actually doesnt the WCML north already include a class 86?

my current collection of trains (in terms of AP anyway) are just the class 90 and dvt and Mk3s.
from the top of my head others are 375, 466, 465, a very old looking HST model, IET, 365, and some random stock on the Carlie line that I cant name from the top of my head.

I had counted that if i had get South London Network and a Class 67 (Steam only, AP will to get another time). I can total up to 501.5 HKD, although like 1 HKD away from budget i dont think i would mind? I wish i couldve got another WCML route to get another step closer to finishing the merge however with the current remaining budget i am in a tight spot. Tho getting rolling stocks too is also half a priority. I still need the MK2 and Mk1 to allow some locos to run Railtours with and eventually somehow getting my hands on AP's New HST to run various routes. Plus after i get the brighton mainline i can get Danny's merge with south london and BML. Once after that I just might be able to afford the electrostar and 67 AP next time? What does everyone think?

 

Some routes give you locos. You can always swap out locos. Best to build your route towards your goal of WCML. Also there are some free downloads out there for locos

 

Possibly next time? i dont know how much can i spend on WCML north but i still got other routes as well once i obtain them. And i remember thinking to myself before (unsure have i mention it here before), i will get 3rd rail stuff as more of a filler gap in situation like this where i still got some money to spare but needed cheap ones to max out my budget. Plus i am local on the brighton mainline so getting that along side south london network sounds like a good plan. And I guess getting the class 67 also can just prepare myself for whenever I get the Crewe to Holyhead. (Though i think next on the list is after WCML north is Over Shap and right after it i had crewe to holyhead route as the next purchase. Maybe during Christmas sale (i forgot is there even a christmas sale, is there one after this autumn one?) i can pick the 2 up at the same time, then the class 67 EP so i can run TfW MK4/MK3 sets out of crewe (i dont think they run there but whatever lol). Then its deciding to pick up an eletrocstar EP or the MK2 coaches from AP. If i have enough budget to do so. Or should it be something else?

And i think picking up AP stuff is also good, they did a brillant job on the class 90s and it was defiantly worth the pick up. And I hope the brighton mainline i be getting on Instant gaming wont be somehow a wrong version.

 

Don't be expecting too much from London-Brighton. It's an old route and whilst it's perfectly adequate it ain't got the polish that newer routes have.

 

Yes, in Executive livery. WCML Over Shap comes with a BR Blue 87. Both trains are available separately as well. There is a Class 86 pack which has BR Blue, Railfreight, Freightliner, and possibly some others too. That pack is required for the very good AP Class 86 EP. However, you do not need the Class 87 DLC (which has just the InterCity livery included) for the AP 87 as this is a standalone model which isn't quite as good as the 86 EP. The DTG 87 had a dodgy model which AP wanted to avoid, although they were more than happy to use bad models for the Class 465, 455 and to a lesser extent the 801 and 377.

The EWS Class 67 pack, which comes with that and a number of other liveries, is what is needed for the AP 67 EP. It isn't a great EP but it is probably something you'll want to get as the DTG 67 is dated on its own. There is also the Jubilee 67 which is the same as the EWS one but is not used for the AP pack. It does come with a chunk of the Royal Train though, which you may be interested in.

South Wales Coastal comes with a 67 which has opening doors and windows. Really AP should have used that one as the basis for their EP, but I don't think South Wales Coastal was available at the time the EP was released.

 

uh... i wouldn't regret buying it for 2 pounds would I? Is the route also busy? Would I be better if i just also get south london and playing the merge so i can have branching paths out of brighton/east croydon?

Would it be this one you're talking about? If i do get this however i wont be able to purchase south london or the class 67 nor class 87.But I will still be in budget if I do South London + Class 87 for WCML North.

Would it be a good investment on the class 67 then? Considering apart from the Class 47 from the Transpennine route and soon class 68, I dont have any other diesel locomotive I could drive. Or should I buy the Class 460 as that also have a class 73 (and that also unlock some other class 73 reskin on DPS) but i got nothing to pull other than MK3s.

(Also only now i realise that AP is doing a sale and its ending today!! I am now on a time crunch!)

Edit: I recounted, with the AP discount happening right now, total would've been 293.38 HKD, i can buy a lot more stuff now. I can probably buy either a Class 67 or Class 86 or Class 87 alongside their EP/APs too. Or even one more route along side South London

 

okay so total is 293.38 if I want WCML north + class 91 with base and EP + Class 68 with base and EP which sums up to 293.38 HKD as mention before.
and goes either 2 ways:
1. WCML Over Shap + class 86 both base and EP = 545.86 HKD (way over budget?)
2. North Wales Coast Line + class 67 base and EP + South London = 511.02 HKD
Which way is more preferable? And I have recently bought Over Shap on TSW too so i am leaning on North Wales Coast Line purchase instead- or should I go with the Class 86 EPs even though its way over my 500 HKD budget? Or just somehow get Over shap but without Class 86 stuff?

 

I am sure you have more than enough stuff to be playing until the next sale. Don't spent the cash if you don't have it.

 

Only you can decide what's most important to you.

It is rare for AP to have 50% sales, so I would favour their items on your wish list.

Stick to your budget for now. There will be other sales at Christmas.

 

The discounts on Steam happening now are good but not rare. If you use SteamDB you can see the price history and you can guess the prices the next time they go on sale. If the current discount is lowery than it is normally, I'd go for it. If it's the same, wait for the next sale. The AP sale is very rare though, so do take advantage of it. The Class 87 DLC on Steam is not required for the AP pack. Getting either the AP 87 or the DTG 86 + EP will be roughly the same cost, but the 86 is a lot more useful given its use as a mixed traffic locomotive. I probably wouldn't get the 67. Not only are the real things not used much, the AP EP isn't great and you can't use them with Mark 3/4 DVTs. Note that the 86 also can't be used with DVTs either in-game, but it's still a better pack overall.

I also wouldn't bother with the 73. It's a cool train but as it's just the original ones you can't use them much outside of the SR third rail network. The mods to turn it into the rebuilt 73/9s require other packs and the texturing and modelling for those mods are poor.

The Class 91 and 68 EPs are good but not essential. Out of the two I'd go with the 91 but not by much; either one is a good purchase. I wouldn't get the Huddersfield Line for the 47. It's a good 47 but a new one is in the works which should be the definitive 47 pack. If you just want a Class 47, perhaps stick with the Kuju one until a better on comes along. If you want a diesel really you should get the AP 66. It's used across the country and will be a lot more useful than pretty much any other loco pack, but be warned: to get the complete experience you'll need all three Class 66 packs on Steam. However even if you have just one you'll be able to use part of the pack. I know that WCMLS has the Powerhaul 66 DLC included, and the EWS 66 comes with Birmingham Cross City I believe.

Have you considered getting the AP Sky and Weather EP? It's probably the single best purchase you can make in TS and given the choice I'd buy it over pretty much any route or train in the game.

 

I actually Huddersfield add on by complete accident when I bought TSC from instant gaming. But either way. As for the 91 and 68s. I uh bought them already and alongisde the class 86 before hand. From now there is only one hour left on the AP sale, and I have heard a lot of good things about the sky EP from AP. While its only 10 pounds right now is it worth getting it? Like right now?

And yea i will be getting TSC over shap, WCML North, south london, base 86, 91 and 68 by tmr.

 

I'd probably get the AP Sky and Weather EP. Remember that the sale ends at midnight in GMT, so you still have 40 minutes left.

 

I really need to stop lmao. (I had to get sky and weather EP as a sneaky purchase, cuz i dont have adult money and my parents cant know... even though at this point i am old enough to have adult money lmao).
Ignore the 90 and wherry lines, i bought those before.

 

Sky and Weather gives TSC a nice look

 

honestly i caved from how many people suggested it.
Then again i mean i can look at the sky... well for free irl. But ima try it out.

Right after over shap. The next is actually going to be North Wales Coast. And I do hope to get the 67 and its EP along side. And maybe along side a MK2 coaches from AP so that more locos can haul it.
Or should I get MK1s and a steam loco for a british Christmas express

 

While those are good purchases, maybe hold off from buying more if you have to keep it a secret from your parents...

 

could someone help me solve what is wrong with not being able to work with the merge?

i am missing whatever with this modellers assest pack is. But i checked their steam page but even they said that you can get that on WCML Over Shap or North. which both i have. So what else is wrong????

 

IIRC that pack is the AP Station Pack (no relation to Armstrong Powerhouse). Check here to see what it's included in - I didn't have a look myself, but I assume you do have it. The DLC requirements shown in-game are often quite funky, so don't trust them. The issue is present on the Workshop as well; most things on it say they require the Metropolitan Line event though they don't.

 

ah i see- i guess i can just ignore that then?

 

I'm not sure what the screenshot is for, but if you own Doncaster Works, the Falmouth Branch, New York to Philadelphia, Horseshoe Curve, the original Woodhead Line, the original Portsmouth Direct Line, Western Lines of Scotland, WCML Over Shap, the Steam version of the Wherry Lines, KwaZulu-Natal and/or the Granfield Branch you will have the pack.

You can also look for the pack in your DLC list.

If you do own the pack, ignore the warning.

 

You shouldn't have a folder named SouthLondonLinesAssets.... it looks like you've made a mess of extracting the assets from the .ap archive. You only need the .GeoPcDx files out of the .ap, nothing else. Is that for the superalbs 377 reskin?

 

Okay i got the issue solved. apparently my dad forgot to buy over shap yesterday cuz due to some duplicate reason with WCML north when trying to buy those yesterday.

Yes... and if it a mess how do i fix it now- it looks like this now and the superlabs 377 have missing textures for some ungodly reason. Did I do something wrong??

 

When extracting a .AP file, use Extract Here rather than Extract to [folder name]. The folder structure should always have PreLoad, RailVehicles, Terrain, etcetera. It should not have the name of the AP file as a folder.

However, one thing you need to know is this. I'm going to put it in big bold letters because it is very important.

Never ever extract entire .AP files.

The way that TS loads data is by looking for files inside .AP files first, and if it can't find them it'll look for the files in the regular folder structure. By extracting the entire AP file, not only are you slowing the game down as it needs to load files individually rather than in one go (the same reason copying one big file to a USB stick takes less time than lots of smaller ones that accumulate to the same size), you are also going to cause problems for yourself later on as you won't know what or where a mod is installed. With the base files kept in a AP file, you can install things without needing to overwrite any of the original assets, as the game will load the new files first before reverting to the AP file. If the mod goes haywire, it's much easier to delete a few things rather than needing to reinstall the entire DLC.

For installing reskins, open the .AP in WinRar or whatever programme you use, find the individual files you need, copy them and paste them where needed.

 

so.... i didnt do anything wrong from the images shown did I?
if i did do something wrong is there. is that why i got missing textures on the train?

 

Reload it

 

how do i do that? reload the reskin or?