The reason why I'm wondering this is because in the preview stream for SFS Nurnberg, something along the lines of "Each carriage in the ICE 4 is different" as well as It's lowkey out-of-scope/budget for TSG to produce. Also, a TSG member said on the discord sometime ago that, they (themselves) personally aren't working on an ICE4 So, an ICE4 is most likely either going to be a DTG Production or TSG/a different 3rd party assisting with it but not the predominant producer. However, there was no recent mention of such challenges for a Velaro train. What do you guys think? Are we more likely to see a Velaro before an ICE4?
ICE 3 neo. Preferably with TVM430, (and a cheeky Dutch ATB). But if it was to come to a route like Koln Frankfurt, there's no saying on how far DTG will go with safety system implementation.
If you want to use it in France or on HS1, you should be wishing for the 407 instead. ICE 3neos are not equipped with TVM.
While i believe the ICE 4 is far more likely to be released first, i wouldnt bet money on it. For all we know the ICE 4 is the far most requested train overall with multiple recent mentions of it for example being: - TSPs TSW 6 Leipzig Preview with DTG Lukas talking about it being difficult but not impossible to make and that nearly everyone at DTG knows about the amount of requests for this train. - TSPs Charity stream december 2025 with DTG Matt saying they heard the community much requesting the ICE 4 but obviously nothing to announce. - Multiple acknowledgements in Roadmap streams after TSW 6 launch, which is weird given they usually just ignore these questions. Obviously none of this means it will come this year or next etc. but the amount of talk about it by developers has noticeably increased since TSW 6 launch. Maybe coincidence, maybe not.
They also directly acknowledged the high requests for an actual RailJet when answering leftover questions from a Q&A for Semmeringbahn, but so far nothing to be seen. Doesn't mean that it won't come, maybe TSW7 will surprise us...
Without shouting things with full conviction or claiming that it’s definitely going to happen… I think DTG can hardly avoid this request anymore. The demand for the ICE 4 is so incredibly high that it’s almost impossible to keep ignoring it. And then the question becomes: when… Well, that will likely be tied to a new game version coming out, and you can wonder whether not doing it for yet another year is realistic, considering how big the demand is. You can fill in the possible outcomes yourself… On top of that, you can use the ICE 4 on almost all German routes, so in terms of gameplay you can safely say it would be a success if they brought it to TSW and alsp the sales would basically a no brainer.
the ICE4, from my experience, seems to be utilised all over germany, whereas the velaro doesn’t seem to cover everywhere. either will do though, as long as one of them happens
The ICE 4 is indeed the largest ICE fleet in Germany, with multiple sub‑variants and train lengths. It forms the backbone of long‑distance operations and covers around 80% of the entire ICE service network. The ICE 3 Neo (8000 series) is still being delivered by Siemens and the fleet is not yet complete. The older ICE 3 Velaro (BR 407) is a much smaller group in comparison. Services to and from France are operated by SNCF using the TGV Euroduplex, and by DB using the Velaro ICE 3.
Totally agree on that. Especially for the gameplay its important as most 2018+ routes we have just dont feel right without the ICE 4 or in other words arent very noticeble to be actually set in that year. For example Frankfurt Hbf looks like it could be set around 2010 with all the 401 replacing 412 formations. The most recent example is SFS Nürnberg-Ingolstadt. So DTG is not only doing this for the players but for the overall appeal of future route releases and this years core release.
