The 86 was far more common place on passenger services. The 87’s were mainly used on the Anglo Scottish services. The 86’s would be working inter regional and the LMR internal services starting and terminating at Carlisle. This was a time when it was still pretty much anathema to allocate diesels to work any distance under the wires so, slightly contrary to the article, you would have seen 86’s on freight more so than 87’s.
Yep, I remember lots of 86s on freight, but they were 86/0s (later 86/3s). Occasionally rescuing a dead 84
When it comes to expert locos I think the major feature that differentiates them from other locos is the fault simulation, having random breakers flip and sometimes having to adapt your driving style, that’s the biggest difference between the DTG & TSG 101. I think it’s something the team should consider for whatever the next pack is.
I have a book on AC English Electrics, it's a good read and I'm almost an expert on the differences between an 86 and an 87 now lol
Good point, I was forgetting the time period of the route! As regards the RMB interior, just had a quick look through the Parkin book and it is surprisingly vague on the matter. Do the JT configuration is not implausible and as I said earlier would allow the vehicle to slot into older consists.
I think an AL5/85 would be pretty neat. Covering both the 85/0 and the freight only 85/1. I wonder if people are getting a bit tired of tap-changers now though, and want some diesel action lol. I personally want a 73 done by JT, mixing both tap changer and diesel. Would be a lot of fun.
Yes. I'm happy for the electric people getting what they want, but it seems sort of... empty since not everything on the line was a tap changer. They're a novelty to me but not something that is fun to drive.
We could do with another diesel suitable for the time, the 25 is the one that's badly missing. The railway of now uses 66s on its infrastructure trains. Back in BR days they used whatever is oldest and could just about still moved. BR got some very harsh press when it was given an absolute shoestring budget to run a railway with. 25 and GUVs and maybe dogfish and shark wagons would complement what's already here. For WCMLos 81s and 85s and a 108 dmu then it's pretty much all covered!
So excited for this release... For me this is such good value for money too. A Class 86 + Mk2F 'coffins' and the Mk1 buffet... For £19.99? As David Dickinson would say, "That is a bobby dazzler of a deal!". I've been so excited and anticipating for this to be released for months, and it'll really enhance an already fantastic route. It will be nice to have the 86 on the appropriate Cross Country services. So it'll compliment the existing and very full timetable nicely. I don't really get the criticism some forum members are making about 'extra timetable services' not being included with the add on or the price which is very fair? The existing summer time table is completely full as it is, with the 87 just about covering the services, and as per how it was in real life the 86 will be used on probably most of the current 100mph timed services. Outside of that you'll get scenarios specifically for the 86 that utilise it specifically to get 'extra use' of it. Absolutely and genuinely excited for the release and to have the 86 and gorgeous Mk2F 'coffins' in the game finally! Nice one JT, can always rely on you for wholesome content for the 'real' rail enthusiasts.
Class 86/2 how many different types of Mk2 F's and the MK1 Buffet that has had to be modlelled Scenarios and (I presume services*) Not a bad price to be fair. *havent read the article yet. About to do so.
I don't deny the pack is good value but even allowing for inflation we seem to have moved a long way from the £11.99 pitch for a "train" pack which in the case of (say) the Class 700 or any other MU, still requires several vehicles to be modelled and possibly get its own Timetable and Journey mode. I had been expecting (maybe) £16.99 or £17.99. There does seem an element of "market pricing" at work here, by whoever determined the final cost. By this token I won't be at all surprised if DTG try and push the E94 pack out in the £23 or £24 range - which is just short of what we used to pay for a route, Anyhow please don't misunderstand me but judging by similar comments posted the price has raised a few eyebrows and comes close to many people's red lines as regards what they will pay for new, as opposed to waiting a few months for a sale.
I'm presuming a full set of nameplates of the era and liveries. DTG used to have a basic feel to releases while JT go for the close to expert level. I must admit though the DB101 was too much for me in expert mode and couldn't fathom it out so wonder how close to that the 86 is? Buffet looks great by the way. 100mph down shap buying a butty will bring back some memories.
Seems to be some murmers about lack of services that are new. JT did a full timetable and Over diagrammed the 87s and put mk2as on trains that would normally be mk2ds. The 86/2s correct that substitution and wouldn't have any extra services...
Not long now, can't wait, first day purchase for me. I am slightly disappointed about no extra services though as there are big gaps at certain times of the day when you have a 60+ minute wait for the next IC service to arrive, I had hoped these were going to be filled in by the 86's, I think at one point a 2hr wait Also would of been nice for these and the 87's to be included in the BPO route.
The danger of that is not accounting for inflation, of both money and gaming in particular. Also if people are willing to pay 2/3 of it... then they'll just pay 2/3 of it when it goes on sale in a few months. So it's win-win. Some people pay full price.. the rest pay "sale price"... but still pay. Part of the issue is that "value" is not fixed. The products vary WIDELY in both quality, content and audience. For example...while I can compare an orange and another orange as more or less equivalent (weight pound for pound).... the same can't be said of TSW DLC because it's often more like comparing oranges to tomatoes or cheese. Yes they're still in the same category (food" or "train sim DLC") but not everyone is the same. Far from it. There are many DLC I have zero interest in, even if they are a good value, and other things I REALLY like that I'll pay more than some other people. And everyone has their own preferences. It's all a very personal value consideration, and saying what "all loco packs" should cost based on them existing or having X number of scenarios is... sometimes useful but can also be very off. I wouldn't pay the $12 for a Class 700, let alone the $18 because I don't care for it at all. I also wouldn't pay $20 for just a Class 86 either because again it's not my thing. Then there's others that are gladly lining up to pay $20 for the 86 with two cars. Lots of people shelled out $45 for WCMLOS too, without remarking that it's "way more expensive than routes used to be." It's all a personal choice. I don't think $24 would be bad for the E94 pack if it ran enough layers, scenarios and was fun. That "red line" for purchases isn't a fixed number limit for most people, it's a rough guideline. They will go over for things they want, and go under for things they don't.
Is that realistic though? I heard the timetable was the real one from that year, so... isn't realism good? Maybe people did have a 60 minute wait in 1986 between trains. Thankfully we don't have to stand around and wait because it's a video game =-)
Timetable of the time was like that, BR didn't run clockface timetables on IC routes so passengers had to check timetables properly. Now it's tailored to frequency and advanced bookings to spread the cheap fares.
To be honest If I wasnt an Ambassador there are some "products that I wouldnt buy as I personally dont think they are worth it (or they dont interest me as much) especially in my current situation.. I just feel that certain costs in the development and building stage have to be taken into account. But seeing as most companies will not disclose their production budgets / costs then I suppose we are all in the dark. Hentis
£19.99 Nostalgia is strong.... Still gonna wait for a sale. https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2967990/view/547860543111694698
Considering this is a piece of JT content and their TSW stuff has been some of the best content we've had I'm happy to part with £20 for the pack. As it's JT you can tell how much has gone into just like the route. DTG this is the thing you need to pick up on. If you want to charge more for products the quality of the product needs to be more towards this standard
I just wonder whether the scenarios and some of these services will be abstracted into a Journey Mode? And getting away from price, I genuinely wonder why this has been announced without its release date? Could it be JT are waiting for some of the performance fixes Matt alluded to in another thread to be implemented, as the prospect of this sounding like the Class 87 when the sim stutters and the sound squelches is just a tad offputting.
Out of interest for anyone with more knowledge of locomotives - how much difference is there between the 86/2 and the Freightliner 86/6s? Would love to see those appear on the modern routes.
That's why they want to do less in house content and let third parties do it. However, it's a mixed bag because you have a variety of quality in third parties... JT, TSG, Skyhook, Rivet...etc
Ah yes, the Frankfurt suburban line thing. Well as it stands I'm probably passing on that at least until initial feedback is in. Frankfurt was an absolute sideshow earlier finishing a run on the Kinzigwotsitbahn. Anyhow to celebrate JT's upcoming release, decided to finish this month's Mastery mileage with a mighty blast north from Preston to Carlisle with the 87. Just about to come to a stand at Oxenholme. Joyous.
To expand on what I said earlier about the price, my reasoning for not wanting to pay £20 is more than just not wanting to pay the money. I bought the MTU HST pack a while ago for £30, and it was the same with the Valenta. £30 is a lot of money but there's so much variety and detail in the packs that they're worth getting on the spot. The Expert BR101 is high quality (bar the textures), but doesn't have enough going on to really justify the £30 price tag. £30 for the BR101 compared to one of the AP HST packs is the easiest decision I've ever made. I have no doubt the Class 86 will be high quality, but the version included is useless for freight services which makes me wonder why they chose it. There's only BR Blue and IC, which works for the route, but as a standalone DLC it does limit its potential. The same applies to the Mark 2s. And finally there is the fact that it's a TSW DLC, which limits how much I'm going to enjoy it no matter the price. If I was just starting out, the £32 for the route itself, or £30 for an AP pack, makes a lot more sense than £20 for the 86 pack. As soon as it gets under £15 I'll probably get it though.
We also just had the route DLC for SimRail for less than £10, going up to £12. DLC for ATS and ETS2 DLC generally comes in at around £10. Quebec for Snowrunner was less than £5. Therefore - and no matter how wonderful the content is - you cannot deny that DTG and in particular for TSW are veering on the expensive side for DLC pricing with much of it costing the same as a complete new game.
Class 91 and DVT for me. Imagine if they made the LNER oxblood livery. And the lest we forget livery.
Indeed! Plenty of other devs who could make an LNER 91 & DVT. Got enough devs working on modern era stuff, let’s leave JT to do what they do best and keep delivering high quality BR era content
Plus it was a bit of thread hijack/drift given the 91's etc are ECML and this is specifically about an 80s era WCML add on...
To bad both Blackpool and WCML Over Sharp route was both set in the 1980s should be set in the 1990s when the class 90s came
Disagree. The whole point of these routes was to encapsulate the last days of BR Classic along with sectorisation creeping in.
Suggestions thread closed down I wonder. Can't see the 91 coming given that it would have been the natural DLC for ECML with a lot of demands. Back on topic 85 next please!!
Everyone wants routes set in an era specific to their interest period. The 80s got left behind by DTG saying they don't sell. JT came along and proved that's not the case if well produced. I would agree the 90s (era not loco) isn't well represented. The only offering is West Cornwall. That's it. I model the 90s era in N gauge and it's tricky sometimes to get stuff as the manufacturers concentrate on modern day or early BR green eras.
I'd personally enjoy 90s stuff as well, but I'm loving the 1980s eras that DTG did at the start and now JT have taken over.
