I suspect the Class 86 is ready to go, lying on the shelf at JT, and it was just held up by DTG to not clash with the release of CL4 and the Thomas 80th pack.
A case can be made that someone who only has a narrow interest (for example US freight trains) could be personally disappointed. However, to be realistic anyone who has been watching TSW for years should already know about what to expect and know they are going to be disappointed because what they are looking for is so narrowly focused. It's not like TSW "suddenly" became focused on UK, German and passenger stuff. Honestly with the Thomas and Netherlands stuff, along with two US routes, and the older German stuff (Crocodiles in the 80s) I can see it being a bit wider net than normal if anything. Not that it wouldn't be nice to see the Tadami line for another country, or the 104 for some older 1st gen DMU.
I like driving trains, I like the scenery even on routes I am not familiar with, I’ve bought all of the UK DLC, and apart from WCMLoS, nothing has wowed me and nothing on my wishlist has been developed/released.
Roadmap prediction will be: Nothing much exciting in the 0-3 months category No update on Tadami Line (which was stated to release in TSW 5 at the beginning of the year - now likely to be in 6, if not 7) Santa Fe Gameplay Pack probably still being in the TBC category still as well. (as it has been for the past 2-3 months) Maybe an update on the E94 pack for Linke Rheinstrecke.
And I would expect a release date for the class 86 (which was coming soon anyway). Would be pleasantly surprised if there is anything tangible regarding Köln - Aachen for consoles.....
For me, the best amount was still TSW 2 times. I'm hoping to finally see some more modern passenger rolling stock in Germany than the 2010s. I'm waiting since the start of TSW for rolling stock like LINT, Flirt (SBB variant sadly does not work in Germany), Desiro HC/ML, KISS, ICE 4. Routes may be denser but the core version is not a technically new game. It is just a continuation of the current build, gated behind a new steam "game".
Frankfurt S-Bahn is set in 2018 Pfalzische Luwidgsbahn is set in 2014 Kinzigtalbahn is set in 2018 Are we really saying that 2018 is "old" now? The stock is still what they're using as far as I know. The BR 193 is a modern loco too. In TSW 2 they were creating routes just as old, and there's even a Koln-Aachen update coming! Saying this is someone inferior to TSW 2 for GERMANY seems odd. Consider the US freight player who had Cane Creek, Clinchfield, Sherman Hill, Horseshoe Curve and the C40 all coming out in TSW 2. Now.... not a single thing. No releases since Cajon Pass in early 2022. So who do you think can really complain? The game in TSW 2 was... different... but I can't say "better." The lighting was terrible for one. Many of the features people love weren't in the game. And to be fair, the "variety" you are talking about works against you because while you ARE getting something similar to what you want (2018 is pretty dang close to 2020)....we had FOUR US freight routes in TSW 2 and ZERO since 2022. "But it sucks because it's not exactly what I want and screw everyone else" is a common sentiment on the forum but objectively TSW 5 hasn't been all that bad overall if we move beyond our personal biases and desires. I'm sure if you asked the Netherlands and Wales players who finally got routes, they'd be overjoyed to finally have something in their area. the person who loves Cargo Packs or the "Krokodils" likewise are more than happy with being represented. I'm sorry you don't have the specific few locos you want, but join the club? Even while getting screwed on the content I personally want, I can recognize that it's a decent game version and quite a bit content did come out. It's just not all for me personally since I'm just one player among thousands.
Well... yes and no. It's not ALL TBC content. Much of it DID come out. It's just released so it's no longer TBC. We just don't notice all the stuff that's been announced then delivered since it's delivered. The TBC stuff is third party and most done by 1 or 2 people so.... life happens. Who knows if they got other jobs, or had family emergencies or something? When you're the one person working on a project, there's no one to hand it off to. There's also no "deadline" if it's just a hobby and you have an actual job. Not sure what DTG can do to "push" them. They could take them off the roadmaps, but then people would be mad, and the developers seem to be reassuring DTG they are "still making progress." Without anything more detailed.... TBC is where they go. I don't expect any of them will actually be released. If they are then I'm pleasantly surprised. I don't expect them to however, then it's not disappointing if they don't.
Interestingly Tadami and Manchester Airport Commuter where first listed on the February 2024 Roadmap nearly 18 months ago and still we wait!!
Yes, and this is pretty evenly balanced, with most routes releasing at a predictable pace. And there is also Frankfurt S-Bahn, that was never in the TBC category, and was released really soon after first being announced.
Isn't Manchester getting close to release though? Tadami.... well, it's a whole different continent so I dunno what issues might be happening there.
Quite a few surprise releases recently. Thomas was pretty quick out too, among others. Wasn't Mildmay also a pretty fast turnaround?
Agree. I think the Class 86 and the E94 pack (they accidentally released the reskinned 218 on Xbox with the CL4 patch- oops!) will round out the TSW5 releases in June and July. Then we're off to TSW6. Hooray i guess.
Roadmap is just a marketing exercise. my predictions will be: 1: Thomas "woop woop" we are literally printing money in the office now..... 2: We haven't any updates on anything you really want to know... 3: We are making good progress on the 5 year old console bugs... 4: The beta team are doing a great job - obviously we ignore them and release unfinished anyway 5: Dovetail Direct coming soon, time to cash in with TSW6, get faster internet to download everything again 6: Keep your feedback coming on the forums, we don't read it, but you feel better that we might 7: See you next month when the trailer for the trailer to announce the trailer for Dovetail Direct is out
So I’m assuming there won’t be a roadmap today ??. I haven’t been keeping up sorry to ask. Not been very active recently.
I have already said a million times that the route is developening by only 2 people (and the route is long and difficult to develop - 88 km), and people still continue to repeat this question like a mantra, kek
Wait you're the one doing Tadami line? I'm not rushing you. It's done when it's done, but if you're here, could you just explain a little of what is happening so people understand how complex it is and how much work goes into it? People are used to bigger companies making things so they might not understand two people doing it part time is a big challenge. They just want to know what you're working on =-)
Last year the expert 101 from TSG released close before Tsw 5 too. Maybe they aim for a 420 release within the same time this year. That depends on the june roadmap and if it gets to the 0-3 months section or not. (Hopefully the RM is delayed so they can give us a release date for it (me being delusional))
Most of the time it's the first Tuesday of the month. This month it obviously wasn't, so hopefully next Tuesday.
You response is uncalled for! My post was to show the fact that these two routes were announced in February 2024 and should really not have been announced until they were nearly finished. March 2025 should really have been the time it should have been noted in the over 3 month stage. It makes a mockery of the roadmap system.
Haha could be- it's legendarily late at this point lol. I kinda figured it would launch shortly after Frankfurt S-bahn but there hasn't even been a "coming soon" blog yet.
I suspect the June roadmap is going to be all locos and gameplay packs. Honestly not even sure if the Manchester Commuter route will release for TSW 5. It's quite likely anything in the Release Date TBD section is going to be for TSW 6
I have a feeling with the performance issues FSN has thrown up, they are a bit reticent to let what is probably a highly scripted and resource intensive train loose in the 1000+ service timetable. Just a hunch. In which case the poor bloody thing is back to square one when they couldn't fit it on HMA.
Would be good to see a release date for the 158 timetable on the Fife Circle. Been missing from the last few which is pretty concerning.
That's how i remember it as well lol. It's TSG, so at least it'll be good whenever it finally arrives.
I don't complain about the route quality. This has indeed improved drastically and the new features are great. My point is about the rolling stock itself. We have gotten primarily the same rolling stock again and again (DoSto for gazillion times, Talent 2 multiple times, 423 multiple times, 146 multiple times, ICE 3 multiple times). The Vectron is great and I don't complain about that. But for every real new modern loco/train set in Germany, there are many we already had. Those receive improvements for a particular route but the previous incarnations don't receive them. So each new loco feature tends to lead to a cascade of loco releases of the same rolling stock but with the new feature set. They set the routes in the 201x years because the newer years are having less DoSto services (rolling stock from the 90s) and more new rolling stock which is missing in the game. To fill the routes with accurate layers, they stick with the timeframe they have the rolling stock for. The difference in TSW 2 era was that most routes came with new rolling stock that didn't exist before. That way a broad catalog of rolling stock was built up. The older stock that was built in real life mostly before 2010 (few exceptions) is very well represented thanks to that strategy. I'd like to see an updated strategy just like TSW2 times to fill up the catalog of rolling stock built since 2018 which is becoming more and more ubiquitous in Germany with new contracts that started in the last 5 years.
Again... not everyone wants "new", many are actively saying they are missing existing or older stock, so DTG has been balancing those competing desires. Even in TSW 2 it wasn't all "new" stock. They go for a compromise... some older, some newer. For example "brand new" you wouldn't have the ICE 3, even though it was in service for what... 20 years or so? The new stuff introduced a year ago doesn't have a lot of nostalgia to go from, and people LOVE their nostalgia in TSW. Not sure why the worship over "new new new" all the time. To me 2018 is plenty "new" but you can also include a few older things to keep most players happy. I don't see why they'd want to alienate the people who would want say a 406 they rode for 20 years in the game just because it's not "new enough." It's a game of compromises.
It was once mentioned that the best seller are always modern one handled EMUs. Thats because the majority of players wants the rolling stock they see everyday. Just my opinion, but if i had to choose between a steam loco ive never seen before except on some photos and an ICE 4 which i get to see every day, i would choose the ICE 4. That doesnt mean i wouldnt buy a steam loco. Its just DTG probably gets more from modern stock, as they could put a modern loco in way more timetables than an old engine. But why ask DTG? You can clearly see 3rd partys like TSG and JT are highly motivated to do what they want to do, as they dont need to care much about what sells better. Often known to be extremely high quality too. I mean just look at the ÖBB 1020.
I have strong confidence after hearing from other sources that the unannounced DLC is a TSW2020 add on we are finally getting back (And no it's not the SW1000R)
I well know. Of course it is not easy to please everyone all the time. My main point of criticism (again) is that most rolling stock included in routes existed in TSW before. So regardless of your preferred timeframe, you don't get a lot of completely new stock. Completely new stock in TSW5 (5): ICE-T, Flixtrain, BR 430, BR 114 (very similar to BR 112), Silberlinge By comparison the previous games and their DLC: TSW 4 (5): BR 218 & n-wagen, Expert 101 & control car, BR 111, BR 642, BR 193 (Vectron) TSW 3 (4): ICE 1, BR 103, BR 628, BR 110 (verkehrsrot und orientrot) & n-wagen TSW 2 (10): BR 612, G6, BR 187, BR 112, BR 101, ICE 3, ICE-3M, BR 363, BR 423, Talent 2 DB TSW (9): BR 185, BR 143, DoSto, BR 425, BR 422, BR 155, BR 146, BR 182, BR 204
Yes Hope they do Give The Manchester Commuter a Release Date Hopeful they will tell us more about the Class 86 & the MK2a Coaches pack & maybe just maybe an update on GWE-RE-mastered or maybe they will have some bad news & tell us its been cancelled due to performance issues
Don't really understand the point of this comparison to be honest. TSW1 lasted for like 3 years (if you include TSW 2020), TSW2 lasted for 2 years, while TSW3 and 4 have lasted for 1 year, and TSW5 is less than a year old. Makes perfect sense that you'd have less new DLC for TSW3-TSW5 with that in mind. But even so, I think quality trumps quantity easily. For me personally, German and US DLCs are basically night and day in quality when you compare what was released before vs after Train Sim World: Rush Hour (TSW2.5 if you will). I have played TSW since release, but for the first 3 years or so TSW didn't stand a chance against TSC when it comes to the things I value like safety system realism, physics etc. Anyone who played TSW: Heavy Haul will know what I mean (remember how the throttle on the SD40-2 acted as almost a cruise control?). Sherman Hill is the first US DLC where the brake physics were overhauled and Dresden-Riesa was the first DLC where German freight physics were overhauled. Especially for German rolling stock I'd say almost each subsequent iteration has featured physics/realism improvements.
So it's the same or better than TSW 3 and 4. There's also been "variants" of say the 185 released. And those ARE what is on most of the routes published. Again, request specific locos and routes and build a case for them. Simply throwing your hands up and saying "I WANT MORE STUFF!" is not really helpful criticism. Go into your boss and say "I want more money." What happens? Or go into the store and say "You need to have more stuff." What response would you get? Be specific, focused and helpufl.
Yes being helpful is quite a bit more work than being pointlessly snarky and critical without any intention to assist others. But it's a burden I'm willing to bear. =-)
I enjoy them. =-) At least people are passionate, if a bit narrowly focused at times. Passionate people have a chance to support and improve the game. Without that interest TSW would just go bankrupt. The challenge is to channel that vague criticism into specific constructive suggestions for actionable change.
What we all thinking is announced? I hope date for Alan Thomson route. Also all aboard sim route announcement
For me it will be more news on the GWE remaster as it's been sitting on the 0 - 3 month mark for the last few roadmaps... Although I predict the 86 and Mk2Fs will be the next release before the GWE Remaster. Both VERY welcome editions to the game! And I'll also be interested in ATS route release date along with news about the route that had the modern variation of Crewe... (I heard these were developers that jumped ship from ATS for various reasons. Although stand to be corrected)
Linking Crewe to Birmingham would be a nice addition. One step closer to having the whole WCML... sort of. Little time travelling needed, but still possible =-)
