Just Trains - Blackpool - Preston - Ormskirk Official Thread

That is the biggest difference I believe.

DTG could spend months and months making content, but I'd put money of that getting just as much negative press.

JT have appeared to have the luxury of time.

 

However, this might lead to a strategy where no information - and maybe even resulting in misinformation - becomes king. I would like to know how the people, who make things I am interested in, think or not think about certain things. Being left in uncertainty which might raise unreasoned hope or despair is some of the worst things you could ever do to another person.

I think we are all older than 10 years here, so we should be able to differentiate "we think about xy" to "we're in creation of xy". I know there will people who still can't differentiate that circumstance, however this is not my fault and I don't want to be misinformed just because of some fools in the internet.

Well, saying "no plans" is in fact a statement rather than to give no comment at all to a thought or plan, that it is unlikely to be happen.

When Matt says for example they have "no plans" to do X (may it be a feature, improvement, route whatsoever), it means that I shouldn't expect X to come. However, if they just keep silent we have no clue about whether they are interested about it or not.

Saying "no" to someone is actually way better to refrain saying "yes", might it be for TSW or anything else in your life.

 

I don’t think the negative reaction would be there at all on the basis of putting more time into a route or loco. Negative reaction has to come from some where and putting more time/effort into a particular project isn’t a negative.

JT have allocated their time, as any other developer does theirs. JT appear to have found a strong balance, other developers have faced criticism for their choice. One appears strong and efficient others have appeared more detrimental.

 

Oh I don't know, people on here were complaining just after TSW 3 up to RHTT/BCC that there hadn't been any new DLC in over 6 weeks.

 

probably a fair percentage who were just wondering on date info, impatience on the other side, isn’t ever going to go away though.

Routines often help with that though, release a dlc every month then people will talk about each months before it’s their, release it every 2 or 3 will be the same etc.

many of the 3rd party developers aren’t known for releases very close and I don’t see too many complaints or demands to change that.

 

For some reason the word “urn” reminds me of a Morecambe and Wise sketch! Older readers will relate. I’ll get my coat

 

I'm not your respective dads or anything, buuuuuut...

I'd much rather read discussion about POB/JT in this particular thread given its title

 

Well, given my comment was about POB/JT and .... I feel that your comment is just going to do the exact oposite as now I'm challenging you with this equally unnesseccary comment.

 

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Your second post I quoted wasn't

Comparison to other devs is not relevant to the thread

I'm not going to draw this out, and again I'm not your dads, but personally I'd really appreciate that topic all three of you are involved in going to another thread

Meanwhile, I also am rather looking forward to POB, and can't wait to run the Javelin on it with OTR because that's how I roll

 

To be fair, I lost interest on reading the first word of the first quote.

 

That's a lot of time! Thanks for making the effort! Do you think now that you've learned a lot more than 18 months before, a future route could be done in less time?

 

While you are basically right, all quotes you cited - or the posts you did not - indeed have a relation to either the new route Blackpool - Preston - Ormskirk route or Just Trains, if you track them down. It's not that we talking about meeting us for the next Metallica concert or sharing receipts for apple pie.

And it's not unusual that threads evolve and sometimes can lead to slightly different topics, however sharing the same source. That's how conversations are made whether in the DGT forum orin real life.

 

Everybody has the right for free speech and to share his opinion, also regarding aspects which other developer do better or even worse, given the new route as objective of the conversation.

Since the work is still in progress, it also can be helpful to share knowledge about what other developers do, to help improving the end product.

Since this thread is the only one the developers of Just Trains are evolved in and with that the chance to get an answer to some topics and questions we raised from themselves, I see no reason to do so.

 

Yeah that certainly should be the case. We managed to ramp the speed of development up considerably once we became fully fluent with things

 

What happened with the wipers on this latest picture of the 142 with tail lights?

 

What do you mean?

 

I can see them there ? (2 lines)

it’s just a darker picture, same way you can’t see the drivers seat/controls in that pic, but there’s no worries, they will be included.

 

Do not fear the wipers are there

 

I hope that Blackpool-Ormskirk is the salvation of TSW4 the way that Birmingham Cross-City and Niddertalbahn were the salvation of TSW3.

 

Well I know that, what I’m trying to say is they’re facing the wrong way! There both supposed to face to the right hand side, not left.

 

When I see on the pictures of the class 142 like this one for example, when they’re on headlights the wipers face the correct way. But now that you’ve shown us the class 142 on tail lights they face the wrong way. Anyways you’ve done such a brilliant job and this will be my favorite route because it’s near me. Well done Just Trains.

 

Maybe because they can be parked on the left or right.

 

They swipe to the left then back to the right.

 

Ah i see where you are coming from. This could be a bad on my side here. I picked that image but i think the wipers may of been fixed after the image was taken, i do recall a fix was made to them some time back.

 

I guess it's too late now to see about using the WSR MK1's reskinned into BR Blue for this route for some variety on coaching stock

 

Problem with reskinning those would be that they're only vacuum braked, MK1s in service by this period would likely all be dual braked. Only dual braked MK1s the game currently has are the BGs.

 

I mean for ultimate variety we'd need some route with BR blue AC electrics so we could see AI Class 86s at Preston, but the lads at JT are already going the extra mile with the updated 47s and the many layers, so I'm happy with what we are getting regardless

 

There never was many dual braked mk1s mostly air or vacuum and yes there were a lot of mk1s vacuum braked but they usually worked specific services.

 

Saturday relief services were often formed of mark 1 vacuum stock, certainly according to WTT's for the west country I have for that period. A rake of them behind a no heat loco on a summer Saturday service would be lovely.

 

It would indeed.

 

Not long to wait now I guess. From the announcement forum today

When we come back in November, expect another Roadmap, more TSW previews and additional PC Editor Masterclass content

As this route is supposed to be the next release, I assume that the TSW previews they are referring to are for Blackpool - Preston-Ormskirk

 

Plenty of Vac only stock around at that time. Some service groups still had sets of Vac stock into the late 80s and early 90s. Certainly for Summer dated services everything that could move was used. This included stock that in the week would be on commuter extras, also stock that got used on charters was common. Scotrail still used vacuum braked mk2s until 1994.....

 

The regular Master Cobbler sets on the Euston to Northampton and vv peak services of that era were VB only. There is a tale that circulated, Willesden sent up a Class 87 one evening for the 1723 departure - VB stock! Hurried swop around took place with an 86 on a Manchester or Birmingham service. The Cobbler stock was also utilised at the weekend in the summer on Cambrian Coast service. Twelve coach Mark One rake, largely 64 seat TSO’s, was a high capacity people mover.

 

Have you guys gone a different direction with the lighting set up on this route, or are you just good at taking screenshots?

It looks more balanced and less washed out than your average TSW promo shots.

 

I'm hoping something has been done with the awful sounds DTG did for the MK2's, every few seconds you get this horrible noise like someone is trying to play a flute or something similar.......very badly, really does get on my nerves!

 

It's meant to be the gangways squeaking/groaning if I remember correctly.

 

BR was very good at using resources in useful ways. The fact that BR is lauded as some kind of z list comedians script belies the fact that it didn't half keep moving when in similar circumstances the towel is chucked in today. That's as far as I need to go with thread drift but this DLC from JT will just go to show how masses of passengers were transported to Blackpool from destinations far and wide. The much in demand era of today would see set clock face trains with one handle and about as much character as the inside of a ready salted crisp packet....

 

I used to drive one of these.
]can honestly say they had a growl about them but not sure if they would be as close as a leopard.

 

So before we drift back on topic, we should say for balance that the modern railway probably doesn’t see character as it’s primary aim, and a more appropriate aim for a railway might be to provide a service which people want to use. The data suggests the privatised railway was immensely good at that (before Covid resulted in it being effectively re-nationalised). I love the railways of the BR era, but I have to admit that their wonderful character came about partly through features which weren’t particularly attractive to the average member of the public.

 

Not sure if it has already been asked or not, but will the 142 feature the Leyland TL11/SCG gearbox or will it be the more modern Cummins/Voith set up?

 

It should be the Leyland TL11/SCG, as the Cummins engines and Voith transmissions were not installed until the 1990s.

 

The character side of things isn't my main point it was capability and resourcefulness. The fact now if the wrong company leaves a train in platform were it doesn't have a crew depot or a diversionary route can't be taken as route cards are bare bones is more my gripe with today's railway BR could have easily embraced advance booking fares and frequency changes.

The privatised railway tries to take credit for uplift in passenger numbers when in reality population growth and demographic needs are the main driver. Its also rare to not see press knocking today's railway similar to the pier end jokes about BR.....

 

As I understand it from the beginnng of development it will have both soundsets this was a question raised in the early days and given Armstrong powerhouse recently released 142 pack with all engines and soundsets I see no reason for this original aim of both soundsets not to be achievable

 

I would be willing to pay extra for a pack that includes both soundsets. I think it is worth the extra cost to have the option to choose the soundset that I prefer.

 

Anecdotally, when I rev the guts out of my Toyota Yaris hybrid climbing a hill (obviously not in EV mode), the engine noise does remind me of a Pacer.

 

And here's the latest update.

https://www.justtrains.net/in-development/tsw-blackpool-preston-ormskirk-route-addon

Managed to get myself a name check!!

 

With the above new details revealed.
I am now predicting a release date on Tuesday 14 November.
Mike.

 

Let’s hope you’re right.

 

So it sounds like a November release then which is really great !!!.