Just Trains Making Wcml Over Shap And Br Class 87

It was in relation to the actual announcement, as in announce it beside him, as opposed to being 'era correct'. Besides they're hardly likely to resurrect the mighty Eric!

 

New dev update for the route has come out with a ton of photos

 

Looks magnificent.

 

It didn't say it on the dev update but do we know if they are going to include Heysham port with the route.

Edit Nvm it's not provided which is a bummer.

 

It is sad about the original Morecambe Station..

Whilst Eric died of a heart attack in 1984, his statue was unveiled in 1999

 

It looks amazing - surely my second choice this year for a route I want to have

 

While it will be a disappointment to some not including Heysham does make sense, it wasn't serviced by passenger trains in that era and since there is currently no FNA wagon for TSW it means there'd be no flask traffic so aside from a random railtour there'd be no traffic and it'd be wasted track (and memory too).

They couldn't include the Windermere branch, which at 10 miles (give or take a few chains) is double the length of Heysham but would have seen a lot more services (and much more beautiful scenery) and would have been better to include but it wasn't due to memory limitations (which makes perfect sense).

The absolute only thing that I am disappointed by is that there are no Mk2 "coffins" as they were a staple of the WCML back then, that said we are getting some new Mk3s (and loco hauled ones at that) so it's not too bad

Honestly I am very excited to get my hands on this route, I do fear that my computer may burst into flames though

 

We need Mk2D to Fs, also Mk1 Buffets, and Mk3 Sleepers, wether we get them is another thing but the WCML had a lot of Sleeper trains in that time.

 

I am really looking forward to this route. There is some very skilled modelling going on here. Just what I like!
So after the community has sorted out the Southern WCML, we can now anticipate a very well built production of Northern section of the WCML
I do have one important question. Will Raildriver controller function with the Class 87? I really hope so!

 

Been to see Mum today and been through the loft, found my old spotting files for Carlisle, pick a date, any date and I'll actually detail what was in Carlisle. See below for examples!

 

How old were you when this happened may I ask.

 

86 I was 14! I've discovered my dad's old complete collection of rail magazines dating back to the fifties, all of the sixties, few seventies (I arrived) through to 2005. That's next week's mission.
Also found stuff, I'd forgotten about

 

Ah that's awesome. Must be nice going over them memories and reminiscing

 

It’s looking good but inclined to agree, Mark 2 coffins and catering vehicle plus sleepers would have made more sense than Mark 3 loco hauled stock. The latter was predominant on the main Euston to Glasgow expresses but just about everything else was Mark 2’s.

As regards Heysham, I didn’t pick up that wasn’t included, not the end of the world and probably would have been a lot of modelling for a lightly used area. Whereas we are getting Kingmoor and all the Carlisle trip freight locations more than compensates.

 

JT seem committed to the cause so I wouldn't be surprised if more coaching stock variety (and traction) were not already on their internal roadmap. They are so far the only 3rd-party "partners" who have delivered (top quality) content not focused on modern plastic.

 

Well.. Thank you for the insult that we, the younger generation, love modern trains. We don't yell that you like old junk from the last century, so I don't advise you to go to our plastic boxes)

 

Going by the thread description I would like to hear and see more regarding the Class 87. As I said earlier, I am hoping that it is compatible with Raildriver Controller.

 

I know the Heysham branch isn't included and I get the reasoning why, it's great to have Morecambe. I wonder if we'll see any AI coming on or off the Heysham stub.

I can't wait for this route, it's a day one purchase for sure.

 

Personally, after this release I think JT will be in a good spot to crack out some rolling stock DLC.

Obviously they’re working on a loco already, but I certainly wouldn’t mind waiting a couple of years for another route, if over the next year they bring some more BR stock into TSW.

As above, there’s locos & MU’s we’d all love to see, but I think some carriage packs would be quite beneficial at this stage (provided it’s sustainable for them of course).

 

Will just trains be doing this yearly with each route targeting fall of the year and be an 80s set route

 

To be fair to Redbus he didn't insult the younger generation, you took it as that. He was insulting only the rational behind it.

To address your comment:
There will always be banter (old) or insult/offence (new) between the generations about what is better/worse, just as the world goes round, so it will be.
And c'mon be honest, you would yell at us that we prefer old junk, I would! Just back in olden days we wouldn't have the phones/social media you do now so we'd literally walk to your house to shout it at you!!
I will always believe my generation of Diesels will be the best, just as my father's love of steam and your love of modern units respectively, where/are the best.

You have to admit that we have a glut of more modern Emu's and routes and this is something different. If only for that reason, this is a worthwhile route.
Just Trains have had a sterling launch into TSW and this difficult second album looks to be an evolution of that.
Blackpool launched to universal acclaim with only a few very minor niggles and as such us old farts are rightfully looking forward to the upcoming route.
I certainly will be getting my Zimmer frame out and walking the 10 miles to the post office for my pension in order to buy it!!

 

Nobody knows what the future will bring

 

There is an imbalance of modern stuff versus old stuff with the reasoning that BR doesn't sell, despite the fact that the BR stuff was often done with huge empty stations and a limited variety stock. TVL and NTP tried to buck the trend but I believe JT got it right with the Blackpool route which although isn't that long has Pacers alongside Old diesels. Where DTG frustrate many of us is the constant churn of modern units and a 66 freight hauled service with a token railtour to use older stuff. The 1990s to 2010s is virtually ignored as if it dint exist. Modern trains do have a plastic feel to then and if some like that fair enough. Having experienced 37s at serious speed and struggling in the Highlands then why would I think that a 802 is great fun....?

 

Nothing gets past him!

 

I thought Mk3 TSOs would reappear (we have some component parts from GWE) . Apart from the juddering the other thing that may put me off the TSW WCML over Shap is the rolling stock variety. TSW is miles behind TSC and yes I know it's harder to develop for but running overnight trains which would be Sleepers with daytime stock is a compromise in my eyes. TsW massively suffered from zero development of rolling stock for quite some time in favour of modern units. Despite Mk3 Sleeper still running of course....

 

I’d love to have some mk2 d/e/f coaches in the game, but not at the expense of the mk3s as running the 87s but not having the 110mph capability would make the driving less interesting for me (with fewer variations in line speed to observe).

I wonder whether JT’s mk3a will be a modification of the existing TSW mk3 or whether they just started from scratch?

 

Easy tiger, no insult intended. Did I say "Those young whippersnappers should be flogged for liking modern trains?". "Modern plastic" is just a good-humoured turn of phrase oft used by we who grew up with 1st and 2nd generation locos and units. Personally I enjoy using the modern content too, but the thing is, the older stuff is no longer on DTG's road map, so we older enthusiasts have to get our fix through retro routes like JT's.

 

I could have sworn that JT did say or sort of hint that Mk3 Sleepers were going to be included.

That said I've just been having one of those headaches with pictures, I believe they call it a thought... So JT are working on a loco pack yes, we are fairly certain that it's an 86 (or 25 or APT but I digress), what if an 86 came with Mk2 coffins? Realistically didn't 87s mostly haul Mk3s with 86s on the cross country and other jobs hauling Mk2s?

 

I will begrudgingly admit that I quite enjoy taking the Pendolino for a spin on WCMLCommuter or whatever it's called now, however I fully intend to quit my job when they finally go for scrap so I can get a job as the axeman and will personally taunt each vehicle before cutting it up and savouring every moment, preferably with a glass of chilled Sancerre....

EDIT: DuffMan4Life

 

In 1987 the Cross Country services were a mix of Mk2 types with Mk1 Buffets often included. A lot of WCML Cross Country trains split at Carstairs also meaning some unusual formations with two brake vehicles.

 

A mildly disturbing post Phil, shades of Silence of the Lambs with trains.

 

I'm Gill, I'm also a Trainaholic.
I'm in the same boat.
I too admit to the same crime of 'actual liking' modern traction. Not to the degree of taking numbers or owt, I'm holic not totally fruitbat mental!
In game I've, and continue to enjoy London Brighton, I had the Spectrum version of the route back in 1984 and critical comparisons where made (#everything was better in the old day!). The main conclusion being we've actually come along way in 30 years both virtually and actually.

And its a glass Château de Chasselas for me. Who would’ve thought, fourty years ago, we'd all be sittin’ here drinkin’ Château de Chasselas, eh?

 

I actually enjoy London - Brighton in small doses, at one point I was based down at Gatwick so used to use the line regularly and didn't mind the 377s (preferred 319s) but was gutted to have missed out on slammers by a couple of years.

Anyway - JustTrains have put some new pictures up today on Facebook! I am not using my computer so can't copy and past, hopefully these will come through.








As you may note in image 6 (assuming it loads) there is a mixed rake of Mk3s as promised

 

Impressive, now I am pleased. If that's how they do the Lune Gorge and I wasn't day one already( I am) then that would have been the clincher!

 

Bonus one for you

 

A shame they’re still using 47/4s on freight, but hopefully DTG will let them create new variants in the future. Stunning shot nevertheless!

 

WOW! I just need all the extra DLC for layers to be in a Steam sale before this gets released. I've only got Blackpool.

It likely has been mentioned, but is any of this back layering into Preston on Blackpool Branches at all do we know?

 

The scenery looks amazing

 

Oh. My. Word. It looks absolutely stunning. As much as I love my Eastern countryside the North West does have some lovely sights and by 'eck does JT know how to recreate them!

 

Just seen them on Facebook.. It’s a massive understatement saying that I can’t wait to drive on this route!

I hope Flying Scotsman isn’t a layer as she didn’t look like that in 1986.

 

Most likely the layered in diesels will operate freight as well as the 47s as one original screenshot shows a 47 and two 31s triple heading a freight train

 

Those shots are breathtaking. Didn’t think I could get much more excited for this route but here we are.

 

Even before I saw any screenshots it was a day 1 for me.

 

You do realise that they used a 8F from 1958 on a 1986 route. (Referring to Blackpool Branches)

 

More believable than a post 2010 restored Flying Scotsman being around in 1986.

 

Stunning screenshots - the best yet. I also love the mixed rakes of IC and blue/grey coaches which were characteristic of BR so for many years. It interested me the way it showed the degree to which individual coaches were switched in and out of rakes on a frequent basis. Even HST sets were, for a time, almost invariably in a mix of liveries. In these days of almost entirely fixed-sets it feels very alien.

The other thing I remember on the West Coast was the variations in the length of the sets. I believe the Anglo-Scottish expresses were all timed as an 87+11, but in practice they varied between 8 and 11 vehicles. The proportion of first class vehicles within the rakes also varied, and if it was too unbalanced towards First class you might get a vehicle down-graded - bits of paper stuck in the windows indicating it could be used by passengers with 2nd class tickets - that was always the coach to go for. Although for me it was academic - I’d spend most of the trip stood at the front door of the front coach with my head stuck out of the window (left hand side to see the signal aspects) listening to the roar of the fans and the whine of the motors.

Regarding Flying Scotsman, I’m safe from it as I don’t own it, but I do think the Jubilee would be a more obvious inclusion, being a London Midland locomotive. It also has the added benefit that its physics are less bad than Flying Scotsman. Hopefully there’s an option to have the Jubilee instead.

 

Hi is there any news on when this is going to be released, was hoping for some info on the October roadmap but there wasn’t much. By the looks of these photos the release can’t be to far away could it?

 

They haven't annouce a release date yet but some of us are speculating it'll come out in December or November.

 

oh yea makes sense